Ok. Surely you can't believe that saying something so idiotically inflammatory could go unnoticed?cootkiller wrote:Critisize me or say what you want but it is the cowards way out. I have no respect for someone who will do this. You may cure your problem but only create it ten fold for those who care about you. I have had to deal with this with close friends and family 4 times this year. Just my opinion
Prayers for his family and friends.
People who do this are not in their right mind. There is nothing "cowardly" about it. If this fellow loves to hunt ducks half as much as I do, then he must of been in some other state of mind to take his life and not think about a cold north wind. I have gone through trials and tribulations myself. Just like any other human being, and many many people got to the point where I was at at one time. Just recently I had a good friend who confided in me that he could not look himself in the mirror anymore. He has since gotten better in regards to his outlook on life. Suicide, just like addiction, is pure evil manifested in the human flesh. It is something that represents excess, and nothing in excess is good...well, nothing worldly. It is not of this world. Look into an addict's eyes and you see complete, pure, unadulterated, emptiness. No life. No joy. No human. The human left the door open when he/she went on vacation to addiction, hoplessness, weakness, there own way of doing things, you name it. The same goes for suicidal people. My uncle is not the only person I know that has taken his own life. But his affected me the most. Maybe it is because my father's addiction killed him less than a year after my uncle's suicide and the whole period of my life then seemed unescapably tragic. But more than anything, it is what I saw in my uncle the day he did it.
My mother, brother and I were heading to town. I was 14 years old and it was a hot day in May. We see a man walking down the side of the four lane. Shortly after we realized it was my uncle. We turned around and pulled up. When my mother rolled the window down and I said, "unc do you need a ride?", he turned around. What I saw was not my uncle. What I saw was soulless. 14 years of knowing him dried up during those few, tense moments; he was gone already. Coward was not what me and my family saw that day. He had since lost hope and handed the keys over. He refused the ride and it was the last time I saw him alive. That night he hung himself with his own belt. The same belt he put on his waist that morning, just before putting his wallet in his back pocket, just after brushing his teeth and looking at himself in the mirror. Doesn't sound like the nature of a coward to me. Out of his mind? Maybe. Weak? Sure. Clinging to the world for answers? Possibly. Coward? Really?
A fellow I graduated a year ahead of recently took his own life. He failed twice that night before he managed to succeed. My hunting buddy's uncle was packing his car up to leave for a fly fishing trip early that morning and heard the boy crying for help. He did not know what was going on and called the cops. They searched the area. The boy had left and went back home, he was at his grandmother's old place. Now tell me, oh powerful one, if that sounds like cowardly behavior? Should we look up the definition of coward? I hope you used coward for lack of a better phrase.
It sounds to me like something else. Although scripture clearly says he does not have complete rule over this world, satan is given control of this world. And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Ephesians 2:1-3. To waver a little, which I do every single day, sets one up to the follies of evil- of all kinds. It is the nature of nature. I am not a saint by a loooong shot. But I try real hard to make sure I do not cling to this world too hard for hope. All it takes is a google search to crap on that parade. I agree with the father. Suicide has more to do with spiritual warfare more than anything. Look at the root cause of it, and tell me where you can find information on how to deal with such "hoplessness." If mankind had an answer it'd be non-existent; nobody wan't to feel that way. They'd be headed to the doc ASAP. 100% curable.
People do not hang themselves with their own belts or cry out for help on cold November nights to an empty house because they are cowardly. They lost hope and tried to cling to anything worldly. Even an empty house filled with nothing but darkness and memories of past loved ones was tried for help. I firmly believe it goes deeper than anything we could possibly imagine. In fact, I know it does. We could only wish it was something so superficial as cowardice.
Perhaps that is why it is such an unnatural "feeling" when we get the news of something like a suicide. Or like today- I pulled up to the cheap, sketchy motel that my crews have a gift of seeking out to count chemicals. I had a fellow approach me with a cheap (probably stolen) skill saw wanting to know if I wanted to buy it. You can look into a person's eyes like that and tell, being a human we can tell, that he is not who he once was. A person takes. their. own. life. It is not something that is normal or there wouldn't be a debate. Two peckers were not made to touch each other. If they were, there wouldn't be a debate. Lives are not created to live out in a constant state of buzz. If they were there wouldn't be a debate. However if the fix was as easy as taking the "coward" out of someone, then again, there wouldn't be a debate.
There are options, and I agree that suicide is not the best one. In fact it shouldn't be on the table- ever. It does cause anguish to your loved ones, but for some, something tells them it is the only way. No way in hell I am going to make such judgemental statements towards people. It could be another person I know next. I tell myself everyday when I look at my phone and see no text messages or phone calls that, "no calls are good calls." It happens to all families and people of all types. What makes this boy any different than anyone on this board? Anybody have a kid that this boy reminds them of? I dare you to tell us the step-by-step plans for your life. Then check back in here in 10 years.
No offense but I don't know how else to say it: you sound like a fool to me, in this regard.
