Predestination

[StraightUp]

Ok, I'll bite. Fear that you have is- "If I'm not good enough God will cast me out". Fear that is refered to in the verses you listed is reverence for God, which is to be embraced.

You are strapping yourself with a big burden that God never intended you to bear. The teaching of your denomination insists others get under there too.

Recently, I was flying in a jet. I thought about how impossible it would be to be outside trying to hold on to that wing at 350knots. I said to myself, "I'm glad this plane is holding me and I don't have to be outside holding to it".

I don't doubt your salvation for one moment. I do think you have a very different understanding of the Grace of Jesus Christ than I have.

[hencutter]

[StraightUp]

[skywalker]

Can someone elaborate on Hebrews 6:4-7?

[Deep Woods]

[StraightUp]

These are among the most debated verses in Scripture. It appears to advocate falling from grace or loosing your salvation like we are talking about here. However, I don't see it that way and refuse to build such a doctrine on the basis of one passage. Especially when that passage is not unanimously interpreted the same by bible scholars- i.e., it's debatable.

This verse really disproves the position of those who propose that man can lose his salvation and come back again. It says that if you think you can get saved, lose it and regain it several times over a lifetime, you are fooling yourself. So, conservative/sound scholars say it presents the idea of loosing grace as hypothetical in order to prove a point about the certainty of God's work of grace in our lives.

Furthermore the writer of Hebrews had no thought of actual forfeiture of salvation. Notice his words in Heb.6.19 and 10.14. Also note he had no doubts as to the salvation of the recipients of his letter--Heb. 6.9.

Sorry, but the best commentary on the Bible is the Bible. Too many other passages support the security of the beleiver. Our real debate here should be on the sincerety of the masses who profess Christ, yet never seem to take on His Character.

[Ordek Avci]

[hencutter]

[StraightUp]

[the doctor]

[bohuntr76]

[hencutter]

StraightUp, if it seems that this has desended into name calling,etc., I apoligize, i certainly felt like everything that we were all saying could have stated around a coffee table. It all appeared to still be civil to me. Again, not my intent to appear to go to name-calling,etc. As I stated earlier in our discussion on this thread,this forum usually discusses topics without all of that.

[StraightUp]

[BigOrange]

[BigOrange]