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I had a buddy send a pup to blue ribbon kennels and after three months and a good chunk of money he got a call saying that the dog was not going to make it. It would not even sit or heel. The dog has no drive but I don't think it should have taken three months to figure that out. As soon as he got down there the guy started trying to sell him one of his dogs.
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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NEGATIVE ON THE WILDROSE BRITISH LABS!!!!!! They are all hype! The next thing you know people will be wanting to drive Land Rovers and import Red Stag instead of deer to hunt simply because its Brittish, it must be better! I believe, as most of the other guys on the site(I believe) that they would put their American breed dog up against a brit anyday! Funny, I haven't ever heard of Mike Stewart entering any of his dogs in a hunt trial!
ain't gonna happen
Mike has too much to lose to compete in hunt tests or field trials.
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Bolivar and Chance,
I would like to give you a brief history lesson. The labs that we know today started off in Newfoundland in the 1700's as a breed that is known as the St. John's dog which looks much like todays labs only larger from the old pictures that I have seen of them. Then in the early 1800's they were imported to England. At this time they were used on fishing boats. When some of the rich and royal learned about the breed they started to cross it with others and came up with what we now regard as the Labrador. Its exact history will never be known but, that is what I have read. Then in the early 1900's the british recognized the Labrador as its own breed. Soon after the labs were shipped to the USA and we started selectivly breeding from those gene pools. So, I ask you this, what lab is not to some degree a british lab and where is the cutting point that determines if a lab is an American or British? Think fast and talk slow, I'll give you all the time that you need.
As for the hunt tests and field trials. That is not the business that wildrose is in. In many cases trainers do run clients dogs in hunt tests and field trials if that is what the owner wants and breeders/trainers often run their brood bitches and studs in tests and trials to determine if they are worth breeding, to validate the strength of the blood line and the individual dog and to add impressive titles to their dogs name. This does a few things like adding recognition to their name as a trainer and provides potential customers documented proof that their breeding stock can perform at whatever level they have achieved. This takes a huge commitment of time and money to accomplish. Now, I think that anyone who knows anything about the business would agree with that. That being said, why on earth would mike want to run his dogs in trials and tests when so many of them already have FTAW, FTW and FTch alongside their name and some of them are beyond their titles. Then to add the heavy training schedule on top, when would anybody have time to run tests and trials. If you are concerned that possibly the pups won't have what it takes to pass hunt tests, incorrect yet again. I know of a wildrose client named Larry Stinson, from FL. who won something like 20 or 25 hunt test ribbons with his three dogs in one season. Not earth shattering but still pretty impressive.I am sure that is not just a fluke. Which would you rather have, a dog that you yourself handle in a test where you could not only strengthen your relationship with fido, improve your own handling skills as well as your dogs' or.......... would do you want a phone call sunday evening from your trainer/handler/dogs' new master saying that fido received two passes towards his SH this weekend, so you can go brag to your buddies how good the dog that you sent off to be trained and handled by Joe Q. Dogtrainer is doing and that in nine more months and five thousand more dollars you will be able to handle fido if he still remembers you.
There are plenty of excellent trainers that can provide this service and there really isn't anything wrong with it either. I for one would take more pride in working my own dog. Just my.02. By the way, don't be offended by any of this it is not intended to be taken that way. I hope you all have a wonderful and safe Christmas and New Year.
Best Wishes Bryan
I would like to give you a brief history lesson. The labs that we know today started off in Newfoundland in the 1700's as a breed that is known as the St. John's dog which looks much like todays labs only larger from the old pictures that I have seen of them. Then in the early 1800's they were imported to England. At this time they were used on fishing boats. When some of the rich and royal learned about the breed they started to cross it with others and came up with what we now regard as the Labrador. Its exact history will never be known but, that is what I have read. Then in the early 1900's the british recognized the Labrador as its own breed. Soon after the labs were shipped to the USA and we started selectivly breeding from those gene pools. So, I ask you this, what lab is not to some degree a british lab and where is the cutting point that determines if a lab is an American or British? Think fast and talk slow, I'll give you all the time that you need.
As for the hunt tests and field trials. That is not the business that wildrose is in. In many cases trainers do run clients dogs in hunt tests and field trials if that is what the owner wants and breeders/trainers often run their brood bitches and studs in tests and trials to determine if they are worth breeding, to validate the strength of the blood line and the individual dog and to add impressive titles to their dogs name. This does a few things like adding recognition to their name as a trainer and provides potential customers documented proof that their breeding stock can perform at whatever level they have achieved. This takes a huge commitment of time and money to accomplish. Now, I think that anyone who knows anything about the business would agree with that. That being said, why on earth would mike want to run his dogs in trials and tests when so many of them already have FTAW, FTW and FTch alongside their name and some of them are beyond their titles. Then to add the heavy training schedule on top, when would anybody have time to run tests and trials. If you are concerned that possibly the pups won't have what it takes to pass hunt tests, incorrect yet again. I know of a wildrose client named Larry Stinson, from FL. who won something like 20 or 25 hunt test ribbons with his three dogs in one season. Not earth shattering but still pretty impressive.I am sure that is not just a fluke. Which would you rather have, a dog that you yourself handle in a test where you could not only strengthen your relationship with fido, improve your own handling skills as well as your dogs' or.......... would do you want a phone call sunday evening from your trainer/handler/dogs' new master saying that fido received two passes towards his SH this weekend, so you can go brag to your buddies how good the dog that you sent off to be trained and handled by Joe Q. Dogtrainer is doing and that in nine more months and five thousand more dollars you will be able to handle fido if he still remembers you.
There are plenty of excellent trainers that can provide this service and there really isn't anything wrong with it either. I for one would take more pride in working my own dog. Just my.02. By the way, don't be offended by any of this it is not intended to be taken that way. I hope you all have a wonderful and safe Christmas and New Year.
Best Wishes Bryan
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sbe you have got to be kidding......A history lesson, now c'mon; My ancestors came from somewhere besides here too but I am an American.
Now to the dogs....Wildrose is about selling puppies. No more, no less. His website is geared exactly toward that. His calendar equates several breedings thru June and at an estimated 8 dogs per that equals around 125 pups. Alot of cheese! His 'brood' males are from the UK and have a FT win and a couple are even FTCH's so they have more than one win. Heck he even has one or two advertised that have no title. But ask the owners of Wildrose puppies what a FTCH has to do to get that title and a HUGE majority (guessing 90+%) will not know or even have a clue or even care. It is simply marketing hype. Majority of those pups are sold to a particular audience and that is all. Look at his category of 'Finished' dogs....There is nothing to read or see. Look at the category of started dogs...Started dogs abound. Why? Because every dog is a started dog at some point..Some are eternally "started". Most are quit by their owners that love to say they have a Brit dogs from where Drake the DU dog is from.
Now I would never knock Larry Stinson or his Started dogs but lets put this in perspective. 20-25 ribbons in just one season. With three dogs that could almost be done in just three weekends much less a whole season. I only bring this up because it is used on that site to tout abilities and you also brought it up. Heck I ran 4 weekends in a row last Fall alone and picked up 7 out of 8 with just one dog in Finished. My other dog went 4-7 for his HRCH title on the same weekends. Big question is why do you say it is not just a fluke? I already said that there are roughly 125 puppies hitting the ground in the next 6 months and that didn't just start happening. Lets go back a couple of years. There should be a 400-600 dogs out there right now and they list just Larry and his one season. Maybe it is a Fluke huh? Naaaa, what is is that the puppies are being sold to homes that don't Hunt Test or train........I know it's not a fluke cuz I have trained with a couple of Brit dogs that could kick. We are just back to the marketing hype that's all..........
Another thing.....I for one would take more pride in making sure my dog got the best chance to be the best he could be by getting it pro trained. Pride my butt, get the dog trained right whatever it takes.....That is my pride. Getting the dog the best he can get. Why would someone want to spend $1000 or $2000 on a pup and let it mature in to an idiot?...By all means everyone don't be afraid to use a pro unless you can dedicate the time, energy, equipment expense, gas, travel, time, energy, and oh yeah time, just for the sake of saying "Yeah I take pride in really screwin this dog up.....No pro for me. If I knew how to train he would really be something. But I did him wrong all by myself"
Now to the dogs....Wildrose is about selling puppies. No more, no less. His website is geared exactly toward that. His calendar equates several breedings thru June and at an estimated 8 dogs per that equals around 125 pups. Alot of cheese! His 'brood' males are from the UK and have a FT win and a couple are even FTCH's so they have more than one win. Heck he even has one or two advertised that have no title. But ask the owners of Wildrose puppies what a FTCH has to do to get that title and a HUGE majority (guessing 90+%) will not know or even have a clue or even care. It is simply marketing hype. Majority of those pups are sold to a particular audience and that is all. Look at his category of 'Finished' dogs....There is nothing to read or see. Look at the category of started dogs...Started dogs abound. Why? Because every dog is a started dog at some point..Some are eternally "started". Most are quit by their owners that love to say they have a Brit dogs from where Drake the DU dog is from.
Now I would never knock Larry Stinson or his Started dogs but lets put this in perspective. 20-25 ribbons in just one season. With three dogs that could almost be done in just three weekends much less a whole season. I only bring this up because it is used on that site to tout abilities and you also brought it up. Heck I ran 4 weekends in a row last Fall alone and picked up 7 out of 8 with just one dog in Finished. My other dog went 4-7 for his HRCH title on the same weekends. Big question is why do you say it is not just a fluke? I already said that there are roughly 125 puppies hitting the ground in the next 6 months and that didn't just start happening. Lets go back a couple of years. There should be a 400-600 dogs out there right now and they list just Larry and his one season. Maybe it is a Fluke huh? Naaaa, what is is that the puppies are being sold to homes that don't Hunt Test or train........I know it's not a fluke cuz I have trained with a couple of Brit dogs that could kick. We are just back to the marketing hype that's all..........
Another thing.....I for one would take more pride in making sure my dog got the best chance to be the best he could be by getting it pro trained. Pride my butt, get the dog trained right whatever it takes.....That is my pride. Getting the dog the best he can get. Why would someone want to spend $1000 or $2000 on a pup and let it mature in to an idiot?...By all means everyone don't be afraid to use a pro unless you can dedicate the time, energy, equipment expense, gas, travel, time, energy, and oh yeah time, just for the sake of saying "Yeah I take pride in really screwin this dog up.....No pro for me. If I knew how to train he would really be something. But I did him wrong all by myself"
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i say take a youngin with ya and train his ass to get out there and pick up the ducks... that's what my dad did....... that's just my opinion. figured ya might want to think about that lmao
picture this.... 8 yr old out looking for downed bird
father in blind yells " B A C K "
picture this.... 8 yr old out looking for downed bird
father in blind yells " B A C K "
And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it, they will be your food.
history lesson?
Troy----you da man! You been taking lessons from Travis.
SBE---young grasshopper. You gonna give me a history lesson? I am just awe struck. I feel so fortunate to have one so knowledgeable and willing to share his wealth of knowledge with a neophyte such as me. One day I will introduce you to Bobby Stewart, Mike's father, who was in on the beginning of Mike's carreer as a retriever trainer. A candid talk with Bobby will cetainly further your education of Wildrose Kennels. Not what you will find on a website.
The Brit guys are into selling puppies. To that end, they need something that gives them a niche in the retriever world. It is that hype of "calmer disposition, more tractable, naturally fetches, more suited for the hunter than the more hyper American bred labs" that gets my goat. "My dog is better than your dog." Dog to the line, put up or shut up, just don't happen.
I can show you a hyper American bred lab that sits quietly at my side duck hunting, retrieves on command, runs 200 yd. plus blind retrieves and sleeps in the bed with Marinda and I. Oh I failed to mention, she is also one of the most consistent hunt test dogs you could ever find, even with me running her. And right now, she is hunting nearly every day.
Since you broke down and got that new ecollar, call and we will get together and train one day. I will let you get that little Boykin out and show me some stuff.
SBE---young grasshopper. You gonna give me a history lesson? I am just awe struck. I feel so fortunate to have one so knowledgeable and willing to share his wealth of knowledge with a neophyte such as me. One day I will introduce you to Bobby Stewart, Mike's father, who was in on the beginning of Mike's carreer as a retriever trainer. A candid talk with Bobby will cetainly further your education of Wildrose Kennels. Not what you will find on a website.
The Brit guys are into selling puppies. To that end, they need something that gives them a niche in the retriever world. It is that hype of "calmer disposition, more tractable, naturally fetches, more suited for the hunter than the more hyper American bred labs" that gets my goat. "My dog is better than your dog." Dog to the line, put up or shut up, just don't happen.
I can show you a hyper American bred lab that sits quietly at my side duck hunting, retrieves on command, runs 200 yd. plus blind retrieves and sleeps in the bed with Marinda and I. Oh I failed to mention, she is also one of the most consistent hunt test dogs you could ever find, even with me running her. And right now, she is hunting nearly every day.
Since you broke down and got that new ecollar, call and we will get together and train one day. I will let you get that little Boykin out and show me some stuff.
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Bryan, you keep making this thread about mike stewart, and its totally beyond me why. You aren't the first sheep I've sheared on this, but thats ok too. Quit touting a busy schedual for someone whos planning to go to britian for a month to pick up bumpers at a game fair, but has hrc, akc, and ft's run within 45 minutes of his house. It doesn't wash, and you know it.
Mike Stewart is an excellent trainer, a better marketer, and is making his customers happy, and thats the true mark of someone doing their job. Chance was dead on, he has no reason to come run anything else, he'd be a fool to. Why would he? To impress me? Im not gonna buy a dog from him, nor have him train one for me. You can try to sell it any way ya like, but when ya throw hype on it, your gonna get it thrown back at ya. Thats the internet and what makes it fun. Wanna talk about how he does something, how happy his customers are, or how well organized his mail pouch is (sorry, but those pouches kill me) I'll gladly listen.
20 ht ribbons is great... thats a season (spring or fall) for me, and I do it with one dog, I trained myself, and he's american. In fact, he's like 48 out of 53 lifetime, and those aint started or junior ribbons either elvis. Ya gonna post about great american dogs now? No, i didnt think so, even if my dog is as unusual as the dog from fla ya speak of . BTW, I belive I know the guy from the net your speaking of... he was gonna stop by and train with us next time he came to oxford, show us whut his dogs could do. Dunno whut happened either, cause he changed his mind bout it.
Seperate the hype from the truth bro. travis
Mike Stewart is an excellent trainer, a better marketer, and is making his customers happy, and thats the true mark of someone doing their job. Chance was dead on, he has no reason to come run anything else, he'd be a fool to. Why would he? To impress me? Im not gonna buy a dog from him, nor have him train one for me. You can try to sell it any way ya like, but when ya throw hype on it, your gonna get it thrown back at ya. Thats the internet and what makes it fun. Wanna talk about how he does something, how happy his customers are, or how well organized his mail pouch is (sorry, but those pouches kill me) I'll gladly listen.
20 ht ribbons is great... thats a season (spring or fall) for me, and I do it with one dog, I trained myself, and he's american. In fact, he's like 48 out of 53 lifetime, and those aint started or junior ribbons either elvis. Ya gonna post about great american dogs now? No, i didnt think so, even if my dog is as unusual as the dog from fla ya speak of . BTW, I belive I know the guy from the net your speaking of... he was gonna stop by and train with us next time he came to oxford, show us whut his dogs could do. Dunno whut happened either, cause he changed his mind bout it.
Seperate the hype from the truth bro. travis
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