Bible Question

[sbakerz71]

If you were wondering if suicide automatically sends someone to Hell, the answer is no.
In God's Book, take a look at two separate men who's actions ended their own lives.
First, look at Matthew 27:3-5 and see Judas die by his own hand.
Look at what and why, think about motive stated and implied.

Next, look at Judges 16:28-30 and see Samson die by his own hand. Look at what and why, and as before, think about motive stated and implied.

Friend, here you see self inflicted deaths, but with different motives. God does not condone, promote, or in any other way want the jewels of His creation to commit suicide. He loves you, and wants you with Him for all Eternity, but He does not want you there ahead of schedule!

Th Catholics believe a person will burn for it, I believe it is a sin, but that if a person is saved, you cannot accomplish what God put you here for. Since it is a selfish act and God said he will never forsake a person or tempt someone beyond what they can handel and always gives them away out, then suicide stops a person from accoplishing what God sent them here for, it also hurts those around that person that loved them. I do not think God would erase that person's name out of the book of life for it, that would be saying that one sin is worse then the other and then we would have tosay that murder is worse to, and to God a sin is a sin and all sins are equal.

[deltadukman]

Well I was not going to say anything but here goes:

Mid December my mother who was 49 years old went through a severe bout with depression. We have later concluded that was what it was. Noone had ever know but a few people from her childhood. She kept it under wraps and even my father thought it was just bad PMS. Well she had a really bad "episode" and doubleing up on some medication and in turn taking her own life on the 13th of December. She was the most God Fearing woman I have ever met but was just "sick" so to speak. I have a very close relationship with many pastors, ministers, and various other " men of the cloth" and here is the way it has always been worded to me: "God takes care of little children who have not had the chance to experience his graciousness and the sick. Depression is a mental illness and very hard to treat and cure. My father and I have done alot of reading recently on the subject and it is truly a mental illness. For someone to take their own life they don't really have a clue what is going through their mind. In my mothers situation I saw her leaving the house and acting like a zombie and not really even recognizing who or what I was. She walked past me to my brothers room and even saw mw but didn't speak (I didn't know what she was doing...thought she was dropping off some clothes). She got his pistol and went to see a friend of ours at an unnamed hunting store and bought "the best bullets for her sons gun" then drove 45 minutes to our cabin and found the gate locked and walked 1/2 mile up to the cabin and took her life. If there was not something wrong then ho does she go to her own sons room and make that walk/drive without thinking about what she was giving up. It's just hard for me to believe that all this happened and she wasn't all messed up.
Depression is a sickness and it is hard for me to believe that this wasn't the act of a very mentally sick person.

I am totally at peace as weird as it may sound. That is my take on the situation. Take it as you will.

[JDgator]

Well I was not going to say anything but here goes:

Mid December my mother who was 49 years old went through a severe bout with depression. We have later concluded that was what it was. Noone had ever know but a few people from her childhood. She kept it under wraps and even my father thought it was just bad PMS. Well she had a really bad "episode" and doubleing up on some medication and in turn taking her own life on the 13th of December. She was the most God Fearing woman I have ever met but was just "sick" so to speak. I have a very close relationship with many pastors, ministers, and various other " men of the cloth" and here is the way it has always been worded to me: "God takes care of little children who have not had the chance to experience his graciousness and the sick. Depression is a mental illness and very hard to treat and cure. My father and I have done alot of reading recently on the subject and it is truly a mental illness. For someone to take their own life they don't really have a clue what is going through their mind. In my mothers situation I saw her leaving the house and acting like a zombie and not really even recognizing who or what I was. She walked past me to my brothers room and even saw mw but didn't speak (I didn't know what she was doing...thought she was dropping off some clothes). She got his pistol and went to see a friend of ours at an unnamed hunting store and bought "the best bullets for her sons gun" then drove 45 minutes to our cabin and found the gate locked and walked 1/2 mile up to the cabin and took her life. If there was not something wrong then ho does she go to her own sons room and make that walk/drive without thinking about what she was giving up. It's just hard for me to believe that all this happened and she wasn't all messed up.
Depression is a sickness and it is hard for me to believe that this wasn't the act of a very mentally sick person.

I am totally at peace as weird as it may sound. That is my take on the situation. Take it as you will.

I'm sorry to hear this. I know it is hard for you. I know you didn't ask, but my prayers are with your family and your mother anyway.

[cwink]

My dad passed away in December from Cirrohsis caused by alchol. Although I had never really thought about it this way but in a way his death was a suicide as well. Anybody that abuses thier body and ultimatly ends up killing themselves whether or not it happens in an instance or takes years can be consider a suicide at least IMO. So I would think this would be considered as not treating your body as a temple. In that case overeating, drinking or any other excess that would lead to an untimely death would fall into the same line as suicide????

[Hayes]

Good post and question. The answere is No you are not condemned to hell for suicied. We are all sinners and condemned to hell for the sin we have all committed. It is through faith by grace in which we are saved. Thank the Lord He sent his son to interecede on our behalf to die for the sin we have committed. So on that note if a person confesses with there mouth and believes in there heart then they are saved. I will say this though.

The bible says over and over and over again in the new testament if you love me you will obey my commands. So I beleive anyone that continues to sin knowing it and its habitual are they really saved to begin with. I am not talking about slip ups when some old lady pulls out in front of me on my home from work and I go to fussing and cursing I am talking about a lifestyle of sin then it is clear the bible says it not me that we do not love him. It also says that His spirit with in us is stronger than our flesh so to me that means we should be able to over come our sin and struggles through him. So I do believe a person can committ suicide and go to heaven, I do beleive it would be a rare or a mental disorder as mentioned above.

If you are wondering about your friends salvation issue I would look to his lifestyle before he started having problem and what was evident in his life cause as I stated The bible tells us that it it obvious if we are on Gods side or not and that his spirit with in us is greater than our flesh.

[crowder critter]

Since suicide is a sin, and a man takes his own life, he nevers has a chance to repent for his sin, does he? How can he ask for forgiveness if he is dead? Or can you ask for forgiveness before you commit the sin?

[Hayes]

I figured that would come up. I will not mention any denomenations cause ultimately it does not matter there is only one thing that matters, but; There are some denomenations that believe if you die with un confessed sin that you are going to hell. Or if you committ and sin and then die before you confess then you are going to hell, well I am not here to offend anyone or any denomenation but that it entirely false. That is not scriptual. For example what if a driver pulls out in front of me while I am driving and i scream out profanity just before I hit them and it kills me instantly. Well since the bible says do not let any unwholesom thing come out of your mouth I believe profanity to be a sin. Therefor I would have died with out asking for forgiveness. Jesus died on the cross for the sins of all and all sins. They are covered once we accept that and believe it we are jsut being obedient when we confess daily and ask for forgivenss but our love is not perfect and we are not gonna be nor are we going to ask forgiveness for every sin we committ.

[crowder critter]

Another question:

How does a person know if he is "saved". I have known deacons that lead prayer on Sunday Morning but was at my daddy's beer joint the night before living it up. Going to church does not "save" you I do not believe, but what if a person lives a good life but hardly graces the door of a church, is he saved if he believes in God and tries to live a good life.

[Hayes]

crowder the best way I know to answere the question is from my experience reading the word. No your are absolutly right going to church does not make you save and there are many of people that go to church every time the door is open that do not truly know there lord. But I will go back to this verse "If you love me you will obey my commands" Going to church is a commandment of God. He says Do not forsake your self of the fellowship with other beleivers. We know that he wants us in church because he built the church and He calls the church the bride of christ. I know for me I have a desire that only he can put in me that I want to Go to his House and worship him on his day. You know that you are saved when you truly ask him to save you and you believe it. You will know in your heart. His spirit will steadily pick on you about church and other things I believe.

[go24]

"This is how WE KNOW we are in Him: Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did" I John 2.5-6.

Repeatedly, John says "this is how we know". So, we can know if we are saved. First John lays it out pretty plain.

Hayes, you are right on!

[ACEINTHEHOLE]

I have read several of you say that if you are really saved then why would you want to kill yourself. I have known two people one of which was a preacher that killed themselves. He became very depressed with no reason at all, wonderful wife, kids, great church. But he got sick and one day went to where he grew up and killed himself. The other was a 19 year old girl that had a brain tumor, they removed it and it came back. She was never really herself when she found out it was back. She was an awesome Christian girl, but the tumor changed everythign about her. She was sick. I believe that both of these people will be in heaven.

Once you have a relationship with Christ then you will have it forever no matter what. It is just like with my earthly father, no matter what I do he will always be my father. I may turn away from him, but he is still my father.

[Duckdawg10]

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/suicide.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sui_bibl.htm

[rustypjr]

I am also a youth minister, not that is matters or my answer is better. We had this question come up a few Wednesdays ago. Here is my answer for what ever it is worth. I believe if they were saved then they will be in heaven. The Bible tells us that there is nothing that can rip us out of God's love. I believe that once saved always saved. I have never found that in the Bible.

[tunica]

I believe that once saved always saved.

please explain If your saved your always saved. Ok I agree but what is the case of someone that at one time was god fearing and "saved" yet somewhere down the road He becomes one of lessor values and commits a act that we all would consider a sin. IS this person still saved?

[camlock]

I believe that once saved always saved.

please explain If your saved your always saved. Ok I agree but what is the case of someone that at one time was god fearing and "saved" yet somewhere down the road He becomes one of lessor values and commits a act that we all would consider a sin. IS this person still saved?

Everybody saved or not saved commits "SIN" daily...sin is sin in the eyes of God whether it's a christian that lies or a non-believer that murders or vice versa, his son died for us in payment for these sins...I do not believe you fall from God's grace b/c of sin, otherwise as humans and the nature of our being, we'd be in constant repentance...