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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject:
Please do not get me wrong guys.

God wants us to repent of every sin we committ. He calls us to repent and seek forgiveness of every sin we committ but IT IS NOT a salvation issue.

"If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9-10).

It IS a salvation issue.

Luke 13:3
3 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

And we are to strive to live without sin. Jesus did it as a man.

Ephesians 5:1 (New King James Version)
1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.

When Jesus walked the earth he was certainly God's divine son, but he was 100% flesh and blood at the same time.

Hebrews 2:17-18 (New King James Version)
17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

BUT there is a difference in willful and unwillful sin. Willful sin is letting that cuss word slip when someone pulls out in front of you. Yeah it just slipped out, but that is because you allowed it to. Unwillful sin is sin committed that you are unaware that you sinned. For instance, right now it is not my intent to offend anyone with what I post, but if this post causes another to sin by offending them. Then I have committed unwillful sin. That is why in prayer we are to ask forgiveness of our "trespasses". But repentance, true repentance, is to "turn away". Not do it anymore.

Romans 6:1-2 (New King James Version)
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Please don't misconstrue any of this, PLEASE. Yes we have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But as a christian, we are to strive to do that which is right in the sight of the Lord.

Just to put my cards out on the table. I am a member of the church of Christ. I know that there are many belief's from the denominational world that say c.o.C.ers believe that everyone outside of that will spend eternity with Satan. That is not the case. It is not my place or anyone else walking the earth to determine that. That is God's job. With that being said though, I do believe that the denominational world may be in trouble when judgement comes. For instance, I gave chapter and verse on the plan of salvation. Is there anyone on this forum (or anywhere else for that matter) that can give me a chapter and verse of the "Sinner's Prayer". I can give you chapter and verse of a believer on his knees praying prior to being baptized and yet when the one God sent to him arrived that one was told to get up and stop wasting time. So if he was saved by praying to God prior to baptism, why would a man of God tell him he was wasting his time.

One last little bit from me, and that is this. I ask that wherever you may go to church, denomination or whatever. Study the Bible. Don't just do something because the preacher, pastor, deacon, mama, daddy, etc... said it's so.

Acts 17:10-11 (New King James Version)
10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 (New King James Version)
21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

Like I said earlier, my intent is not to offend anyone; but to make everyone think and study the word as it is, in its context.

Driveby, it seems that you and i are on the same page on this matter.I say we are not saved by works;but if we are saved , works will follow.

driveby
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject:
Those are some good ones Bobo. Don't get me wrong, I believe salvation is a free gift through faith and grace, but it's an obedient faith. There are things we must do to obtain it even though those things are not good enough to deserve it.

You are exactly right about that Driveby. I can't believe in all this that I've been posting about this that I left that off. FAITHFUL OBEDIENCE is key. Thanks Driveby.

Bobo you have a PM. You answered my question already though.

WHAT does any of the last 8 pages or so have to do with the mans original question? HIGHJAKERS. Start a new thread!

Well according to the logic above the person that committed suicide would not be able to enter heaven.

mudsucker wrote:WHAT does any of the last 8 pages or so have to do with the mans original question? HIGHJAKERS. Start a new thread!

Many of us have given our opinion. There is no " Thou shalt" or "Thou shall not" on this subject. That is why ther are varying opinions. And you are correct, the thread did get hijacked, i apoligized for that about 4 pages back.

The only opinion that matters is God's. He is all knowing and has given us freewill to either choose HIM or reject HIM. If you want to know all the answers to these questions and opinions......read and study the bible for yourself and pray for wisdom and understanding. GOD will give it to you.

I think when most of us gave an opinion, we were looking at The Word, and giving what we thought that it said. With that being said, and i believe most of us that have been posting on this for several days know that only Gods opinion matters, Gman, what is Gods opinion on this subject?

I think that post like these are very positive and it makes us all well at least me dig into the word and read and listen to other peoples take on the subject. The important thing is that we do dig in the word and seek God and listen to how he responds to each of us personally and keep an open heart and mind. I have thouroughly enjoyed each and every post in the thread.

bobo5 wrote:BUT there is a difference in willful and unwillful sin. Willful sin is letting that cuss word slip when someone pulls out in front of you. Yeah it just slipped out, but that is because you allowed it to. Unwillful sin is sin committed that you are unaware that you sinned. For instance, right now it is not my intent to offend anyone with what I post, but if this post causes another to sin by offending them. Then I have committed unwillful sin. That is why in prayer we are to ask forgiveness of our "trespasses". But repentance, true repentance, is to "turn away". Not do it anymore.

Bobo,

This is the scenario I'm hearing:

1.) Person A makes a statement;
2.) Person B hears and takes offense to said statement;
3.) Person B responds to the "offensive" statement in a sinful manner;
4.) Person A now becomes guilty because they have "caused" Person B to respond in a sinful manner due to the "offensive" nature of the statement.

If you implied that the statement made by Person A was intentionally provocative in nature, we are in agreement. However, if you implied that the statement was simply a truthful assertion with a non-offensive motive, then we have a problem; for if this is correct, this scenario would lend Jesus to be found guilty of the latter implication more frequently than I am of the former!

I'm not hacking on ya, just looking for a little frog-hair-splitting clarification.

hencutter wrote:I think when most of us gave an opinion, we were looking at The Word, and giving what we thought that it said. With that being said, and i believe most of us that have been posting on this for several days know that only Gods opinion matters, Gman, what is Gods opinion on this subject?

HE does not want anyone to commit suicide. Turn to HIM instead. That is HIS opinion.

I just because they commit suicide does not condemn them to Hell.


Question: If you are someones child is it possible to be un become there child?

“Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.” John 1:12

So if we become his children when we receive him how do we un become someone child?

I believe the question behind the original question posed in this thread is this: Is it effectually, not hypothetically, possible for a genuinely regenerate Christ-follower to commit suicide, an act which argueably could be deemed the ultimate manifestation of a lack of faith in the one and only sovereign God to preserve them to an end which He wills as fit unto the faithful?

I have always had some uncertainty on this topic and would like to present a somewhat related question. I think the answer to this may lie in the understanding of:

1. At what point in a believers life does their name gets written into the book of life?
2. Could a believer have his name blotted out of the book of life?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo ... xt=context

Doesn't this passage tells us that some names will get blotted from the book of life. I don't claim to know when this could/will occur, and I don't think the Bible teaches us that each time we sin our name gets blotted out instantly, only to be re-written if we confess. I'm thinking we are being told that if our names were to get blotted out, it may happen at judgment day if we have not overcome, based on the warning from this quote.

I think my understanding of this assumes that our names didn't get written in the book of life until we became a Christian in the first place but I really don't know at what point our names get written in the book of life to begin with. I don't think we're born that way. Are we?