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MSDuckmen · Postby **MSDuckmen** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 10:10 am

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For example, no hunting could occur on or over a field of sweet corn that has been partially harvested and the remainder manipulated. To be considered normal, an agricultural planting, agricultural harvesting, and agricultural post-harvest manipulation must be conducted in accordance with official recommendations of USDA State Extension Specialists. However, the Service will continue to make final determinations about whether official recommendations were followed.

Dos Gris
Leaving a crop in the field to rot or to attact ducks is not in accordance with official recommendations of USDA State Extension Specialists. The remaining crop that was not harvested will have to be exsplained otherwise a field not fully harvested is Manipulated. That is how my hunting partner and his friend lost their case and how I come to the inclusive Manipulation part.

dos gris · Postby **dos gris** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 10:43 am

I understand the point your trying to put forth but I just don't interpret it that way. The first sentence in your quote reads:
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For example, no hunting could occur on or over a field of sweet corn that has been partially harvested and the remainder manipulated.
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The remainder is not manipulated in this scenario. USDA recommendations are a joke, the Fed's will make their own final recommendations on a case by case basis. I think this is what your buddies found out. Right?

All you can do is research the law and have know questions (in yours eyes) about the legality of the situation. Beyond that...its all a guessing game.

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dos gris · Postby **dos gris** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 1:04 pm

Man that would have pissed me off...I think I would have taken off work to fight that one.

Wingman · Postby **Wingman** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 1:49 pm

First of all, how to you determine the boundaries of a field? Is a piece of land surrounded by a turnrow on 4 sides considered one field? Or does the ditch that runs through it make it two fields? Scenario, you have a 50 acre block of land. You plant 45 acres in corn, then you skip over 3 rows and plant the remaining 5 acres in the same corn. You can call it two fields. Harvest the 45 acres, leave the other "field" of 5 acres alone. You can nitpick down to infinity if you want to. It is endless and in the end, is up to the judgement of the individual warden.

Wingman

shiloh · Postby **shiloh** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 3:13 pm

if you don't fight the gw's when you know you are right then duckmen is exactly right . they will get you everytime they get a chance. we got ticketed trotlining on the ms river last year for not having our running lights on 10 min. before sunset. when we found out what the law really read(you must have running lights on during the hours of darkness) we called the gw's boss and told him and he had to call and apologize. my father really loved that because the gw was a real a--

crow · Postby **crow** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 4:42 pm

Gentlemen, I've been hunting with a federal game law enforcement officer for the last 20 years. We've hunted leases all over the south Delta, his own place there, and too many public places to list. I have, in fact been checked by a federal officer while hunting a partially harvested field. They are not bad to ignore game violations and I didn't get a ticket! Don't some of our state management areas use partially harvested/flooded fields as hunting areas? I'm absolutely sure that hunting over partially harvested grain fields, that are in no other way manipulated, is legal practice. Now, if you are doing other things that have made the man get one on for you, you can be sure he will find your field to be manipulated! I'm sure there are war stories all over the net, but I personally have never seen anyone ticketed for no good reason. I'm sure some of you have, however. This issue of a partially harvested field being baited is a non-issue. But, all of us have to do what we believe is the right thing. Make up your own mind based on what youknow...I'll do the same.

crow · Postby **crow** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 4:47 pm

And, duckmen, I've seen corn stalks and cobbs eaten as clean as if a deer had done it! I've watched ducks eat the stuff like they were at a Sunday School picnic! You look at that bill and that ear of corn and you say "no way!" But them ducks find a way, man. They'll pick a flooded corn field clean in no time! If you got a flooded corn field that you don't want to hunt, you call me and I'll watch it for you to see if any ducks come and if they will eat those ears! [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

BrianB · Postby **BrianB** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 4:50 pm

Wow, didn't realize this much discussion would come out of that one point. I had not read the regs in a while and thought I remembered that the last time I did I was surprised because I interpreted it to say that you could not hunt a partially harvested field. Obviously that part is left to interpretation by the GW. Good discussion though.

MSDuckmen · Postby **MSDuckmen** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 5:24 pm

hahahaha

Hey crow you got me mixed up with someone else, I ain't about to give up my corn fields.. I know what the ducks and geese both do.

And your right you got to do what you believe is right. Only sometimes that is not enough and I have seen that first hand. Now don't get me wrong I have many a friend in the Fed. department ( he11 I'm Fed. too) and not all are out to get you, but you better be right, it's their job to know.

Have a good season boys and be safe....

goosebruce · Postby **goosebruce** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 7:51 pm

manulipualtion is the ket brother...un-harvested portion manulipated. I aint never seen the field in question, nor do i know your buds, so I cant comment on them specificly, nor should I. But I do always wonder anytime I hear a "I know someone who got ticketed for this... story". 2 sides to every story, and usually the truth is somewhere in the middle. Being a betting man, the fact you're glad they weren't shooting the 'wrong' birds or over the limit 'that' day, just might have had something to do with the ticket. If you where glad of that, then you probably glad for a reason. If I read that wrong, Im sorry, like i said, I dontknow the gig, Im just guessing from the pieces you fed us. And those pieces where fed to you, by someone you know, but secondhand none the less. When it comes to the law, and the I can't belive stories, Im gonna be there myself before I belive it, or repete it. Seen too many people omit a big peice of the puzzle, and focus on the can you belive it.
None of that withstanding, i got some real pretty un-cut rice I'll be knocking greenheads down into in bout another 8 days. travis

WillieT · Postby **WillieT** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 8:42 pm

GW have a way of making their own law...I once got a ticket at Sunflower WMA for no life preservers in a canoe.....that was sitting on the ground and DRY!!!! I fought that one and won.... THEN I got another ticket for not having life preservers in a jon boat that i was WADING and pushing...unfortunately my neighbor's son was in the boat...the court said the boat "was underway" and therefor he was required to have a life preserver on....I now carry a life preserver with me everywhere i go in the Delta during duck season....they look at me funny in the stores....

MSDuckmen · Postby **MSDuckmen** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 9:30 pm

Yea I know what you mean Goose, I'm the same way and don't blame you a bit for thinking that way. If I didn't know these boys for the past twenty years I would still be thinking it. I was there to see Duckhunt4 get his ticket. As for my statement about the wrong birds and over the limit, I think at some time we have all done that by accident or on purpose. It is not our practice at all. Hell we don't even shoot hens, well except for one that we still can't convence to stop. Our group will do everything we can to stay within the limits of the law. Sometimes nothing you do can prepare you for the unexspected.
I really feel that the reason back then that they got in trouble was the fact that at that time in that area our group was some of the few that were having good shoots. I feel that when you are having success and others around are not it draws attention to you and they just worked it around until they came up with something that they could stick them with. Ever since that day we will not hunt ducks on a field that has had part of the crop removed unless all was removed.

But I know where ya coming from bud I'm just like that too.

Wingman · Postby **Wingman** » Wed Nov 07, 2001 9:37 pm

Hey Goose, you been listenin' to that Huked on Fonics again ain't ya? :P [img]images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]

Wangmane

MSDuckmen · Postby **MSDuckmen** » Thu Nov 08, 2001 12:55 am

Point made,

It is just not worth the chance for us. It is way too easy to plant a crop and just leave it alone and we don't woorry about it.

And your right if they want you they can pull a rabbit out of their hats to get you.

The sad thing about my friend s getting the ticket is that we really thought we had done everything right. We didn't put out extra grain or even go into the field that was not harvested because we wanted it to last and only the dog went into and out of the field.
It was the simple fact that they hunted a field that had alot of birds and it drew attention from the Fed.
I didn't hunt that day, had to work or something can't remember what, but I do remember them dragging the land owner into it as well because he was the one that did the planting. It was a good thing that they were not over the limit or shooting the wrong birds that day or the fine would have been much higher I'm sure.

I also have another story for you. Last year during opening Dove day. Duckhunt4 went with me to our dove field and didn't have a license, He only worked his dog, no shooting no gun, no ammo. He had mailed off for his license and had not received it so he just decided to go and work his dog. He was given a ticket for hunting without a license because he was wearing camo and had a dog, and was in the field.
I told him to fight it and I would go with him. He said that since he would have to miss work and drive all the way to RollingFork he would just pay the fine.
I see why he did it but man it pissed me off that he didn't fight for something that was wrong and left it open to happen to someone else. Next time the gang meets you guys be sure to ask him about it. Very entertaining.

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JJ · Postby JJ » Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:30 am

I.VE SEEN FOOTAGE VIA VIDEO OF SOME TREMENDOUS HUNTS IN AND AROUND THIS AREA. ROLL THE DICE AND GOOD LUCK

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