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STUPID! [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img] Oh, I already did that.....wrong thread.....Sorry [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img] Yeah, that seems perty unrealistic on the farmer's part, BUT it's gettin' close to the season and folks'll Damn near do anything to have a place to hunt.....at least those that have that kinda money. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img] You know the old familiar saying.... [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]Uh, how does it go?....OH YEAH..."nothing farts paster than a 'fool' and his money".....or somethin' like that....that don't look 'zactly right...there ya go, perfect example. 'Good businessman(crook), that farmer. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]

[ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: Anatidae ]

The market is becoming saturated. I see prices for duck holes going down this year. I know of several $4000 licks selling for $2500 this year because of the glut available duck holes. I don't believe the real expensive ones will sell for that this year.

Without exception, the market will determine pricing. The only valid price for anything (from a can of coke to a house to a share of stock) is the price that someone else is willing to pay. A farmer may want $xx for his lease, but that price is not valid until someone else decides to pay it. Therefore prices that may seem excessive are merely the market finding its center according to supply and demand.

Professor your'e exactly right.
If I could afford $12,500.00 I'd have me a great lease or some great land also.
I don't think a guy is a fool because he can afford something like that. Now if it's nothing special or something I can see giving the guy hell.
Heck I'm just jealous of the guy who can afford a great place provided it is.

It ain't the $12,500 that bothers me - it's what you get for 12,500. Maybe that free transportation to and from the blind involves a motorhome with 72 vestal virgins.

No matter, somebody's shucking out $12,500 and at the end of the season all they will have to show for it will be some memories and MAYBE some frozen duck meat. I'll have both those for sure for one hell of a lot less money. I just hope my kids can afford this sport 20 years from now.

Why would you want to ride out with vestal virgins? I'd prefer some hers....

[ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: damnyankee ]

according to the all knowing GH 22 - the prices are being driven up by rich lawyers and doctors who graduated from Ole miss LOL [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

One thing I do know is you can not apply any laws of economics to duck hunting property in North Delta of Mississippi these days.
It's to close to Mempho!

Don't blame the farmers....they will charge what someone will pay. Any gig that goes for 12,500, is because it went for a reasonable price until duck hunters started trying to rent things from under each other. I don't blame the man who pays 12,500, I blame the cocksucker who offered 12,500 when someone else was paying 8,000. Thats excatly how we got where we are. Hope the stock market tickles 2000 come next oct.... travis

12,500 doesn't sound that high too me I see people paying 1250$ a seat in a blind 10 guys is all it takes little rich for my blood. I have to build and barter every year.

There is an ad in the hunting/fishing section of the Commercial Appeal classifieds for a 50 acre rice field lease for $10,000. Same ad has 75 acre field for $12,500. Ad mentions free transportation to and from blinds, but nothing about lodging. Is the landowner wishfully thinking, or will he actually get that? I can't imagine paying that for a duckhole. Even if if produced 2000 dead ducks thats $5/duck.

If leases like that continue you can bet I'll be selling out of the duckhunting business.

The price really depends upon the quality of the duck hole as opposed to the amount of acreage. The really good duck holes, with proven track records, go for quite a bit. Other duck holes that may be hit or miss, may bring in big bucks one year due to an eager hunter with more money than good sense (I have probably fallen into this category a time or two over the years), but will not continue to bring in big dollars unless it produces. However, the bottom end of the duck lease prices are being driven by a landowner's reluctance to lease his land for anything less than say 2500 to 3000, with the mindset that it is not worth fooling with for anything less than that amount. In order to squeeze out as much money as possible, many landowners appear to be going to the lease a blind concept, leasing several blinds on their land as opposed to leasing the entire tract for one lump sum. Not sure this is a good trend. While economical for the hunters, and profitable for the landowners due to volume, it also increases the competition near the leased blind ---generally the very thing a hunter is trying to avoid by leasing property as opposed to just hunting public land.

Delta Duck,

The laws of economics are constant and not restrained by geography. Quite to the contrary, they are mandated by geography. A lease in South Dakota has less value to me than to someone in that area. Therefore a lease in North Mississippi has more value to a Memphian and increases the competitive pricing structure to everyone else. When dealing with a finite resource such as land, an increase in interested parties will naturally drive up the price. In a capitalistic economy, the reality is that the market itself will dictate the price according to the desires and wealth of the participants. Period.

Goosebruce hit it on the head. Every duckhole has a fair price. Just because Daddy Warbucks can afford to pay 3x the fair price doesn't mean that he SHOULD. Someone (HAELP) needs to remind all the Daddy Warbucks out there that everytime one of them goes into a lease at 3x the fair price they are hurting the sport in general** - not to mention the fact that, because of some unforeseen adversity, his warchest should be reduced, he's out of a hunting spot, and the next Warbucks steps into his duckhole.

I happen to believe there are alot of Daddy Warbucks out there who don't have a real affection for this sport. They see it as an opportunity to be trendy and at the same time show off their assets. Paying 3x for a lease is their way of thumbing their nose at us little folks ("ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...looky at what I can do and you can't!). And I'm the first to admit there's not a damn thing we can do about it...except possibly expose them as the more-money-than-brains-idiots that they are.


**Hurting the sport in general by reducing the number of sportsmen who can afford to participate and thereby reducing the amount of resources applied to conservation for the sport.

[ November 01, 2001: Message edited by: h2o_dog ]

There is no one to blame it is just simple economics and like our economy it is cyclical...prices will fall one day...all you can do is be patient.