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Force to Pile
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:26 pm
by sidneyrobertson
What is force to pile and how do you do it?
Re: Force to Pile
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:07 pm
by EvanG
sidneyrobertson wrote:What is force to pile and how do you do it?
Well, you just asked a mouthful!
Force-to-pile is a procedure, and a step in the force fetch process. During FF we teach "Hold", then "Fetch" (via ear pinch or toe hitch, usually), some then stick fetch, then e-collar condition to fetch, fetch-no-fetch; all of which are all-forward functions. The dog is moving forward to fetch during all of these steps, and continues moving forward.
In FTP we put together a bit more obedience with the FF functions, completing the fully trained retreive; Fetch & Recall. The dog moves forward to fetch, then returns to Heel; finishing the retrieve in relatively the same manner he will perform all retrieves in the field in live applications.
How is it done? Questions like that are why guys like me write books and make DVD's about it!
It's not a secret. It's just very involved if done correctly. It involves significant preparation and proper execution.
EvanG
Re: Force to Pile
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:23 pm
by lilwhitelie
EvanG wrote:sidneyrobertson wrote:What is force to pile and how do you do it?
Well, you just asked a mouthful!
Force-to-pile is a procedure, and a step in the force fetch process. During FF we teach "Hold", then "Fetch" (via ear pinch or toe hitch, usually), some then stick fetch, then e-collar condition to fetch, fetch-no-fetch; all of which are all-forward functions. The dog is moving forward to fetch during all of these steps, and continues moving forward.
In FTP we put together a bit more obedience with the FF functions, completing the fully trained retreive; Fetch & Recall. The dog moves forward to fetch, then returns to Heel; finishing the retrieve in relatively the same manner he will perform all retrieves in the field in live applications.
How is it done? Questions like that are why guys like me write books and make DVD's about it!
It's not a secret. It's just very involved if done correctly. It involves significant preparation and proper execution.
About what age to you begin force to pile???? Pup is 15 weeks old and knows "fetch". I know let a pup be a pup for a while and not to put pressure on em to early so as not to kill their drive but just wondering when you would start. I trained a HRCH dog from start to finish in 1yr 10 mo and skipped some steps to get there and wanna do it "right" on this one.
EvanG
Re: Force to Pile
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:22 am
by EvanG
Although the process is not age specific, I don't start force fetch until the pup is around 6 months, has its permanent teeth in, and has shown sufficient maturity to begin force work. FTP is one of the last steps in the process, so a usual age is around 7-8 months. But this varies quite a bit from dog to dog.
You are certainly right to let your pup be a pup.
EvanG