PSSST....that is the sound of me opening this can of worms..

[camlock]

YEP...I am gonna do it!

POISON PODS! Oh yeah, the debate of legal or illegal!!! Well, I never had much opinion but stayed on the illegal side of the debate b/c it seemed to go along with my general ideas and views of hunting and how it should be governed. HOWEVER, recently, certain experiences and realizations have me doubting my previous notions and maybe leaning to the side of the debate that poison pods SHOULD be LEGAL in not only Mississippi but in the sport of bowhunting across the country, but I will focus on the South b/c of the concentration of hunters in our area.

My reasons revolve around ONE SINGLE thought/idea/etc. It should be legal to counter the irresponsible nature of bowhunters nowdays. In my preparation for hunting this season, in and around the office, the internet, bow shops, etc. I have seen and heard about SO MANY people either getting into the sport or never fully preparing themselves to be involved in the sport that it's disgusting. NOW, granted people can be stupid and not need to a gun in their hands but the margin for error is GREATLY reduced between the two! Nobody should be allowed to aquire a crap bow and arrow, throw some wal-mart accessories on it, shoot it one afternoon the weekend before the season opens and then go out and sling arrows at deer for the month of October until the state allows them to pack a easier weapon in which to satisfy their thirst to kill a deer!

Now, before you blow up, I am not referring to guys that have bowhunted in the past and just don't have the time to prepare all summer, or are getting back into it with their older equipment. NOT AT ALL...There are lots of us that where taught and learned properly and could not shoot all summer and just practice a little and look over things and still go out there in an appropriate effort. I am talking about those fools that see it on TV and go grab whatever they can or borrow somebody old stuff, have no idea what it's all about and don't care they just wanna go in the woods and flang an arrow. Those NEED poison to counter their stupidity!

It takes a level of precision and responsibility to be a bowhunter. The law can't enforce that, and we can't prevent this from happening, especially to resident hunters that have the right to hunt on the land the taxes pay for...but unfortunately, like so much else of our society, we are lazy and irresponsible. In the realm of the world of hunting, nothing is much more irresponsible than firing off arrows with razor tips through the woods at deer with no F'ing clue what your doing or how capable your equipment truly is. Mistakes happen, I've done it, we've all done it...but when you are giving the animal about 10% chance of getting away missed, 10% chance of a clean kill, and 80% chance of being seriously injured and living and/or dieing that way unclaimed then you should have your A kicked and not allowed to hunt. Just like those morons that feels their sack get larger with each deer they kill every season, regardless of the size or statue of the deer, just about the #'s.

SO, my thoughts and what i been pondering is that the poison pods would in some way possibly counter the affect of the morons we here about every single season!

EXAMPLES....

I bought a new bow last Friday. I was in the shop tuning and setting up all afternoon (I actually skipped the whole weekend of hunting b/c I wasn't comfortable out there shooting at something). Well, while i was in there this guy comes in with a bow. Bout 6-8 years old range, looks like it's been thrown in the back of a closet the last 3-4. At first this guy is asking lot of questions about getting it setup and using it, and I thought for a while that he was really going about it the right way. Wanted to be informed and get into the sports and yada yada. BUT, I soon found out I was wrong. Finally, he admitted to the fact that he never bowhunted and didn't really intend to start, but he got invited to go hungint somwhere with somebody and need a bow. He said he knew his cousin/brother/something had this thing and he went and got and just needed to get it shootable quickly as possible so he had something to hunt with on his trip. Said I am leaving on such and such date and if you could just get it to me a day before so I can shoot it a couple times b4 we leave that'd be great! This MF'r never shot a bow before! He was at least 22-23 years old, maybe older. This guy is a perfect example of what I am talking about...just to bring my case to a little light and help folks understand....

ALSO, another point I'd like to make. Dad's if you don't have to ballz to tell you sons (like my dad did me) that they are not big enough or have not learned enough about what they are doing to go out bowhunting, then you should have your booty whipped! Kids don't know better and they don't have the mindset adults do. Dad's they take their kids out and let em fling arrows at deer b/c they can pull enougn poundage that they might actually accidentally hit a deer in the vitals, they need poison too!

I have stated my case...I could keep going but I'll stop!

[Dutch Dog]

I'm not a fan of "pods" myself. If you can hit them in the hip with an injectable needle, you could do it the right way. I know there's the rubber type material that goes behind a broadhead filled with some sort of annectine or whatever it is, but if you need that stuff you don't need to be hunting. SURE, the injectable needle may be a little more humane as it basically puts the deer to sleep, but there isn't a blood trail, to speak of, maybe it works quick enough that the deer never goes out of site, I don't know. What if it malfunctions? What if you shoot the deer somewhere besides a big hip muscle, then you have a wounded deer with a big shot of medicine somewhere that it's not going to have the desired effect on it. what if you accidentally puncture yourself with it? If I cut myself with a broadhead when putting it on the arrow, you mess up putting that on the arrow your dead. They need to re-vamp the whole deal when it comes to deer hunting. Re-arrange some seasons, get rid of "poison" in bow season, and I actually vote for no dog hunting. That's my personal opinion, you have yours, I have mine so lets not get into that. I have no problem with folks who dog hunt, I am just not for it. It scatters deer all over the place, into new territories they may have never been in before...making them vulnerable. Running deer off of peoples places who have worked hard to manage them. Anyway, I feel we would have a more relaxed deer herd as they are in Tennessee, Alabama, Texas etc.

[camlock]

I'm not a fan of "pods" myself. If you can hit them in the hip with an injectable needle, you could do it the right way. I know there's the rubber type material that goes behind a broadhead filled with some sort of annectine or whatever it is, but if you need that stuff you don't need to be hunting. SURE, the injectable needle may be a little more humane as it basically puts the deer to sleep, but there isn't a blood trail, to speak of, maybe it works quick enough that the deer never goes out of site, I don't know. What if it malfunctions? What if you shoot the deer somewhere besides a big hip muscle, then you have a wounded deer with a big shot of medicine somewhere that it's not going to have the desired effect on it. what if you accidentally puncture yourself with it? If I cut myself with a broadhead when putting it on the arrow, you mess up putting that on the arrow your dead. They need to re-vamp the whole deal when it comes to deer hunting. Re-arrange some seasons, get rid of "poison" in bow season, and I actually vote for no dog hunting. That's my personal opinion, you have yours, I have mine so lets not get into that. I have no problem with folks who dog hunt, I am just not for it. It scatters deer all over the place, into new territories they may have never been in before...making them vulnerable. Running deer off of peoples places who have worked hard to manage them. Anyway, I feel we would have a more relaxed deer herd as they are in Tennessee, Alabama, Texas etc.

Well, I agree with everything you said, and the reality is you don't need to be hunting if you need poison to do it, that is correct. But you can't stop em from doing it, so the idea is countering it! I don't claim to know the answers, just a thought process typed out.

And as far as hurting your self, those guns you own are killing folks from accidents cause be mistakes or misuse all the time...should we not use them either? Far as the dogs...not the point of the thread...I won't even get into that...oranges and apples

[SkippyJ]

Cam you just described the entire problem with duck hunting in the last 15 yrs.

[Dutch Dog]

yeah, I know...I just have to talk about another issue that is an "issue" while we were venting a bit.

[Bama Duck]

"Those NEED poison to counter their stupidity!"

I don't think that is the answer, give a moron razor sharp broadheads mixed with a little posion. But then again I don't know what is the answer to stop all the inexperienced bow hunters that just want to fling one out there in hopes of hitting something vital. For the deer's sake maybe they should legalize crossbows during bow season that way at least these morons would buy one of those and and at least make better shots on these deer that are going unfound.

In Alabama, near where I live there is a state park that noticed it had a problem with too many deer and holds a draw for a couple bow hunts a year to help with the deer problem. Before you can apply you have to go and shoot your bow so they make sure you know what your doing, pretty good idea. But then again that couldn't apply state wide.

The overall answer is better hunters...popularity is killing that. [/quote]

[RebelYelp]

nothing like blood trailing and ass shot doe is it bama duck

[Grommet]

I would not use them myself simply due to the fact that I could see me cuting myself and dying on my deer stand. But if someone wants to use them because they feel it is more humane then go ahead. I have just always been scared of them since I was little because my dad used to tell me about them.

[MSDuckmen]

Cam you just described the entire problem with duck hunting in the last 15 yrs.

SkippyJ, The only problem with duck hunting is duckhunters...

You boys need to enjoy the pastime of hunting while you can.. I truly believe it is only a generation or two away before it becomes something found in history books.

We as a group of hunters can't get along with each other much less the majority of the population that is undecided about the issue. The vast majority of hunters today are in it only for the kill regardless of what method it takes to get it.

My view on the pods are this:
If a hunter is too lame to learn the art of hunting with a bow enough to be successful without wounding numbers of deer. I don't want that idiot in the woods with poison. It is just a accident waiting to happen.

[Bama Duck]

Yeah, RebleYelp we were doing good to find that one. I bet you don't try that quartering away shot too many more times!

[stang67]

The only people I have known to use pods were hunters that were more proficient archers than 75% of the MS hunting population. They simply refused to let a simple mistake lead to an unrecoverable, crippled deer. I see nothing wrong, unethical, or "lame" (as some call it) with that mindset at all. All bowhunters make bad shots at some point. It could be just as justifiably argued that pods are more ethical for this reason.

It has been my observation that those lame, clueless bowhunters that are irresponsible about practice, shot placement and other finer points of hunting are the last ones to consider the use of pods. Rather, pods are used in general by a more conscientious sort.

In addition, I don't think anectine is as fatal when introduced to a minor cut as most people think.

For the record, I now know no one that uses pods or sells the poison.

[Jelly]

I don't hunt with poison and it doesn't hurt me if someone else does. I'd rather some jake leg that can't shot use poison when he hits it in the rear end so it will perish as opposed to suffer for a long period of time. There are tons of deer "shot" each year that aren't killed, if some of them were shot with poison, a percentage would be recovered and with no sweat of my back. What if you arrow hit a limb and sticks a big slickhead in the hind 1/4?

It takes very little to kill a deer but it takes a great deal to kill a human, from what doctors have told me. ie, it's not really that dangerous to humans.

My point is, what if Joe "bad shot" Jones hunts with poison? who cares. At least he's trying to make a kill should he make a bad shot. Sure he shouldn't be out there if he can't shoot but there are people in a tree right now that can't shoot worth a flip.

Just some thoughts

[sportsman450]

The only people I have known to use pods were hunters that were more proficient archers than 75% of the MS hunting population. They simply refused to let a simple mistake lead to an unrecoverable, crippled deer. I see nothing wrong, unethical, or "lame" (as some call it) with that mindset at all. All bowhunters make bad shots at some point. It could be just as justifiably argued that pods are more ethical for this reason.

It has been my observation that those lame, clueless bowhunters that are irresponsible about practice, shot placement and other finer points of hunting are the last ones to consider the use of pods. Rather, pods are used in general by a more conscientious sort.

In addition, I don't think anectine is as fatal when introduced to a minor cut as most people think.

Good post. I used to work in an archery shop that sold poison and pods, and they were very popular with the better more experienced shooters.

What if you arrow hit a limb and sticks a big slickhead in the hind 1/4?

This exact thing happened to me several years ago. I had a doe about 20yds out. It was getting dark, and I knicked a small limb, and it deflected the arrow just enough to hit her in the hind quarter. It shattered the bone. Without the poison, that deer would have suffered for a good while before it died. As it was, she died in short order.

At the time this happened, I was shooting 3-D every spring and summer, and practicing virtually every day and could routinely shoot 3" groups at 50yds. It simply makes more sense to me to take every measure I can to make a humane kill.

It takes very little to kill a deer but it takes a great deal to kill a human, from what doctors have told me. ie, it's not really that dangerous to humans.

I was curious about just that, so I took a vial of powder to an appt. with my pain management doctor who was also an anesthesiologist. The amount he said it would take to kill an adult human would be almost impossibe to get in your system by accident.

[camlock]

I know a guy that cut his finger open and got the crap in it...and freaked and hauled A to the hospital expecting to croak at any mintue and nothing ever happened....

Of course he was sorta fishy guy, so who knows...but I know he used to use it...the story truthfulness I can't attest...

[woundedduck]

doesnt have an effect on humans