Blood training your lab

This forum is for general discussion that doesn't fit in the other topic-specific forums.
FnW man
Veteran
Posts: 956
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2003 2:57 pm
Location: Jackson Office

Blood training your lab

Postby FnW man » Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:12 pm

I've got some deer blood left in my refrig from last deer season, and although it smells somewhat different :shock: , I need to know if it's still good for training my dog. Is the principle the same, or is fresh blood really necessary?? :roll:
"When the last tree has been cut and the last river has dryed up and the last wildlife has vanished we will finally realize that we can not eat money".
User avatar
Dutch Dog
Duck South Addict
Posts: 5570
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2001 12:01 am
Location: Southaven

Postby Dutch Dog » Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:25 pm

Utilizing harvested deer blood for the purpose of dog training is considered wanton waste. :lol:
It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
walt333ms
Veteran
Posts: 147
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2002 1:01 am
Location: JACKSON

WATCH OUT ...WHAT YOU WISH FOR....>>>>>

Postby walt333ms » Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:15 pm

HAD A GREAT LAB 14 YEARS...

TRAINED HIM TO TRACK DEAR ALSO WHEN HE WAS YOUNG......MISTAKE
HE DID GREAT.....WOULD TRAIL THEM FOREVER.....THAT WAS THE PROBLEM,,,.....

WHILE TRAILING A WOUNDED DEER DURING OCT MUZZLE LOADER....HE JUMPED THE DEER...HEADED SOUTH A MILE INTO MAHANNA.....

ABOUT 45 MINUTES LATER ...COULD SEE SOMETHING COMING FROM THE SOUTH....YEP...WOUNDED DEER WITH BLACK LAB RIGHT ON HIS TAIL...
I KEPT HOLLERING DONT SHOOT THE DOG....

TOOK ME FOREVER TO GET HIM BACK.....REMEMBER THE LAB NEVER
BARKS....SO VERY HARD TO FIND......

2ND..TIME....
WAY DOWN IN DELTA NATIONAL ....GREAT DUCK HUNT IN FLOODED OAK TIMBER.....RESTRICTED AREA SO WE HAD TO WADE IN KNEE DEEP WATER ABOUT 3/4 MILE.........ON THE WAY OUT BACK TO THE 3-WHEELERS....1992..."SAM" JUMPED A DEER ON A HIGH SPOT...OFF TO THE RACES HE WENT....COULD LISTEN AS MY DOG CHASED THE DEER EAST....OUT OF HEARING.......DARK COLD NIGHT ....I KEPT CALLING AND WHISTLE....OVER AN HOUR LATER HE CAME BACK.....
HIS CAMO VEST HAD GOTTEN HUNG UP ...AND SOME HOW HE TORE OUT OF IT.....

SO THE NEXT DAY...STARTED UN-TRAINING MYDEER DOG.....

IF HE DOES GOOD AT IT...KEEP HIM ON A ROPE.....

GOOD LUCK

UNCLE WALT
HUNT OVER AROUND MAHANNA, DELTA NATIONAL,VALLEY PARK, BELZONI, ISOLA, BENTON, EDWARDS,FITLER,

AND ANY WHERE ELSE THE DOG TELLS ME TO GO,.....
User avatar
jdbuckshot
Duck South Addict
Posts: 3821
Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 12:37 pm
Location: Forest Mississippi

deer dog,

Postby jdbuckshot » Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:22 pm

you dont have to use frozed blood, if your dog is a trailer, hes a trailer. just take them enough untill they realize what is going on, my sits on a whistle and quarters so i don't use a lead, she barks when she finds it most of the time. never had a problem with mixing duck hunting and deer trailing, some of the guys on here have seen pace. but my best advise would be to after you kill a deer, cut off the back leg, and do some trailing drills with it. i never drag the leg when training i just hit it on the ground every 50 or 75 yards, also use some gut with no blood. a rag, or a piece of hide works good. also just go and hide the "bait" and let it sit for about and hour, and come back and teach the dog to hunt it, or WIND it. thats priceless when you have a good winding dog.
i know the gut part is nasty, but you will thank me when your dog finds that 130 class gut shot deer that didnt bleed a drop! just ask my little brother!!!! good obedience pays off more than anything, take you plenty of water when you go hunting. if you see a dead deer on the side of the road stop and get you a leg off of it. i never let my dog have any piece of the deer to chew on. they need to want that deer more than anything else when its time to trail! good luck f&w
"The rich ..... who are content to buy what they have not the desire to get by their own exertions, These are the real enemies of Game."
FnW man
Veteran
Posts: 956
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2003 2:57 pm
Location: Jackson Office

Postby FnW man » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:35 am

Thanks guys for the advise, but my question was about old blood in the refrig (not frozen) that doesn't smell like fresh blood anymore. Are the components of old blood and fresh blood still the same for the general purpose of dripping drops on the ground in a 100 yd line for training, or will old, different smelling blood confuse the dog when it comes time to trail a freshly shot deer :?:

Maybe a blood trainer or doctor that hunts can help............maybe not.
"When the last tree has been cut and the last river has dryed up and the last wildlife has vanished we will finally realize that we can not eat money".
User avatar
camlock
Duck South Sponsor
Posts: 5402
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:10 am

Postby camlock » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:04 am

F&Wman wrote:Thanks guys for the advise, but my question was about old blood in the refrig (not frozen) that doesn't smell like fresh blood anymore. Are the components of old blood and fresh blood still the same for the general purpose of dripping drops on the ground in a 100 yd line for training, or will old, different smelling blood confuse the dog when it comes time to trail a freshly shot deer :?:

Maybe a blood trainer or doctor that hunts can help............maybe not.


I've always heard to train in offseason with frozen blood...So I assume it works??? I am doing the same with my male...let me know how it turns out...
User avatar
lilwhitelie
Duck South Addict
Posts: 2092
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:21 pm
Location: brandon, ms

ha

Postby lilwhitelie » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:35 pm

The problem with most labs is they tend to "wind hunt" instead of nose to the ground hunt so the blood doesn't do a whole lot of good!! They are excellent dogs for deer trailing though.... put em on the trail and they will make big loops until they get wind of em!@! Mine has saved me numerus times on bow shot deer!!!
HRCH JB'S LIL WHITE LIE
User avatar
BAY KINGFISHER
Duck South Addict
Posts: 1827
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 8:26 pm
Location: Bay St. Louis ,MS

labs

Postby BAY KINGFISHER » Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:26 am

Labs they are winding dogs rather than nose to the ground, biggest thing is they only should know trailing deer blood or guts not deer the animal, also for a good chance the area should never be contaminated by boots, always let the dog look first, if there is a questionable hit, I have herd them little weiner dogs are making good trakers, Im probably going to a feist or rat terrier for my next tracker, I like their size and attitude
HRCH Mr. Buck's Delta Do "Dee" MH
FnW man
Veteran
Posts: 956
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2003 2:57 pm
Location: Jackson Office

Postby FnW man » Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:35 am

thanks. That good info. :lol: My dog is certainally a 'winder'. When I work him w/ my 6 mo. old, smelly deer blood I'll remember that :!:
"When the last tree has been cut and the last river has dryed up and the last wildlife has vanished we will finally realize that we can not eat money".

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests