Vicksburg military park??

[lilwhitelie]

How long before they do as they are doing across the country and remove all confederate monuments etc there?? Just drove through there this weekend and the thought crossed my mind. Would it be ok to just preserve the union line and monuments??

[Smoke68]

How long before they do as they are doing across the country and remove all confederate monuments etc there?? Just drove through there this weekend and the thought crossed my mind. Would it be ok to just preserve the union line and monuments??

In all honesty, I don't see that happening. If you had monuments throughout the city, that's one thing. But the proponents of the removal of monuments, just as those say who would like the flag changed, would mostly say the items belong in a museum as opposed to a place of daily relevance and public occupation.

The Vicksburg Military Park is a museum of sorts and its only purpose is the preservation of history. While I'm sure there would be some who say it all should come down, I think the rational majority, even those who seek to be politically correct, would recognize the purpose of the park.

[gps4]

Black folks I saw walking in the park this morning didn't seem to mind being surrounded by monuments....

[peewee]

I don't see that happening either. There would be an uprising like the liberals have never seen before. The civil war military parks have a huge following from diverse groups around the country. If you spend enough time in the park you can tell what I am talking about. Also, the VMP is the main source to draw tourist to Vicksburg. These tourist support a bulk small businesses in the city, many of which are minority owned. Therefor the protesters would really be shooting there own family members etc. in the foot.


What we saw in NO is a political play nothing more/nothing less. Landrieu will use this issue to help keep one of his political backers in power in the upcoming election. With the reduction of post Katrina federal funds the growth of the city is going to be bleak, therefor they (Landrieu cronies) know they need backing from the opposite race.

[lilwhitelie]

I don't see that happening either. There would be an uprising like the liberals have never seen before. The civil war military parks have a huge following from diverse groups around the country. If you spend enough time in the park you can tell what I am talking about. Also, the VMP is the main source to draw tourist to Vicksburg. These tourist support a bulk small businesses in the city, many of which are minority owned. Therefor the protesters would really be shooting there own family members etc. in the foot.


What we saw in NO is a political play nothing more/nothing less. Landrieu will use this issue to help keep one of his political backers in power in the upcoming election. With the reduction of post Katrina federal funds the growth of the city is going to be bleak, therefor they (Landrieu cronies) know they need backing from the opposite race.

Just seeing how it usually starts somewhere and then grows on a much larger scale. First is places like New Orleans etc then the movement grows and places like Stone Mountain which they want removed are next and so on. Seems each state and city follows its own rules etc. Do you think the democrats in Vicksburg care how many tourists come though each year??? If it's about an election etc they only care about what will get them elected.

I beleive the backlash you refer to is just a myth in most instances and is a long ways off before any real threat of something like that is realized. Most republicans keep there mouth shut and do nothing etc and just want to keep their family fed and safe and don't want to risk that for history. I beleive they could shut the park down and remove all the statues etc and you would see no riots or protests etc because if there were it would be on film and people would be scared of being labeled a racist and face possible termination of jobs etc from the pushback of the left.

On a side note.... Bernie sanders grilled a guy for being a Christian the other day saying that made him unfit for a job. Just showing where our country is headed. Trump just bought us 4 years so enjoy them. No riots by churches and no real news coverage but had it been a Muslim faith attacked it would be everywhere and protesters galore.

[jacksbuddy]

I don't think it will happen in Vicksburg. Partly because of what has been stated here already - the importance of tourism to the economy, and the influx of all the people who come and do business with locals BECAUSE of the park. But mainly because the City of Vicksburg seems to be stuck in the '60's - - - the 1860's. Go figure.

[stang67]

I don't think it will happen in Vicksburg. Partly because of what has been stated here already - the importance of tourism to the economy, and the influx of all the people who come and do business with locals BECAUSE of the park. But mainly because the City of Vicksburg seems to be stuck in the '60's - - - the 1860's. Go figure.

Dude, how much time do you spend in the Dirty V? They're clearly stuck in the 1960s.

Just another cliquey small MS town going downhill.

[Buckwabit]

It will happen soon. Period. Liberals are taking over the world cause people like won't stand up and stay enough is enough

[southdeltan]

The majority of the big monuments in the Vicksburg NMP are Yankee monuments paid for by Yankee States. If I recall correctly, they don't sell the "Confederate" flag (actually the Battle Flag of N. Virginia) in the gift store anymore.

There are few, if any, Confederate soldiers buried in Vicksburg National Cemetery. The majority of the Confederate graves are in Cedar Hill Cemetery.

Vicksburg and New Orleans are two different situations. The Mayor of NOLA is an idiot that doesn't know the history of the War or the efforts to heal the nation after the War. He did it to make himself look good, and like Obama - just caused more racial tension. I could see one of those 4 statues coming down, but it was for one after the war - The Battle of Liberty statue. The other 3 should still be standing.

[lilwhitelie]

Anyone care to change their opinion on the park?? Looks imminent that all confederate statues etc are coming down sooner than later. Can't wait till Brandon makes the national news for keeping the confederate statue in the middle of town and having a civil war relics show each year. Kudos to Phil Bryant for letting democracy play out and not caving.

[peewee]

I stand by my saying. VMP will not change. I'd be shocked if it did.

[NyssaAquatica]

Since it is a historical installation designed to educate the public, none of the monuments at Vicksburg will come down. It and other parks (like Gettysburg) will receive the same protection.

[420 racin]

The military Park will be fine, at least for four years, because the City has no say whatsoever, the Military Park is owned by the Federal Gov. and the head honcho (Trump) will not let it happen on his watch. Now when we get a Democrat back int eh White House (I hope never again) things may be different. but right now, the park is safe if for no other reason than it's federally owned. I also agree with Pewee, the City would be behind preserving it because the money it brings in. and it brings in a lot. My Mom and Grandmother are tour guides at the Park, do the Ghost tours around the city, and give tours to the tourists that come in on the River boats. It is nothing to go downtown and sit at one of the restaurants and spark up a conversation with people from all over the World, not just USA.

[lilwhitelie]

The military Park will be fine, at least for four years, because the City has no say whatsoever, the Military Park is owned by the Federal Gov. and the head honcho (Trump) will not let it happen on his watch. Now when we get a Democrat back int eh White House (I hope never again) things may be different. but right now, the park is safe if for no other reason than it's federally owned. I also agree with Pewee, the City would be behind preserving it because the money it brings in. and it brings in a lot. My Mom and Grandmother are tour guides at the Park, do the Ghost tours around the city, and give tours to the tourists that come in on the River boats. It is nothing to go downtown and sit at one of the restaurants and spark up a conversation with people from all over the World, not just USA.

I agree it is safe for a few more years but do you truly beleive if the city had a say so they would keep them???? I don't have that much faith in the voters there to even think about the tourists. I don't think the vote would be any different than if Jackson had the park here. It would only take a few outside groups to come and influence the people that vote and in turn the elected officials would do exactly as New Orleans is doing.

It is starting with the city monuments etc but you know once those are gone they will seek to remove all of them especially when a democrat becomes president. I was surprised at the recent republicans saying the statues and monuments needed to come down.

On a totally different note....do you think the flag vote would change tomorrow if it was up for a vote???? According to wlbt poll the votes to change it are less than before. This will put Mississippi in the spotlight ASAP if it comes back up for vote

[NyssaAquatica]

It's pretty simple. VMP is federal property designed to educate the public about the darkest time in American history. Confederate statues and monuments there are safe. The city, county, and state can't do anything about that.

Monuments outside the park, however, may be open to public review. They may or may not last the decade before they are taken down and placed in museums.