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Whats the best programer out there? With the built in scanner.

The complete six gun system by banks is one of the best at putting extra horsepower to pavement. The system comes with the big head turbo, 4 inch exhaust, cold air intake, six gun engine module, transmission module and scanner. Im not sure if your super familiar with the 6.0 engines but if you havent already done some mod work to the engine itself they dont handle any programming well. It can lead to some pretty serious head and injector issues.

X2 better bullet proof it first!

sell it while you can.

Harper wrote:sell it while you can.

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As bad as the 6.0 has been, the 6.7 is worse.

jcthorne wrote:As bad as the 6.0 has been, the 6.7 is worse.

I think you will find MANY 6.7 owners that will disagree...

At no point should it be acceptable to buy a $50k truck and have to spend $3k plus to keep the motor from detonating. I'm not saying, I'm just saying....

I have bullet proof it. Delete kit and intake, and six gunner. I wanted one that could scan to. Can i just add to what i got?

jcthorne wrote:As bad as the 6.0 has been, the 6.7 is worse.

I'm sure plenty may agree, but the 6.0 was part of a major class action lawsuit b/c of how bad that engine was. The fact they only have 5 head bolts vs 6 on the other engines caused the head gasket to fail in mass. Plus the computer was messed up in general, which usually led to injector issues.

Where most diesels take to Programmers with no issues, the 6.0 is generally thought of as the exception. The added power and compression weakens the heads and bad things are more prone to happening. My advice is if you do add a programmer without adding upgraded head bolts and new gasket, to keep it moderate. Don't go willy-nilly and add a ton of power. Stick to something that only adds about 60hp. Most tuners have multiple power settings. Just don't put it to "11". Keep it at the economy setting for additional mpg's and not for massive power gains.

The head failures with the 6.0L is related to the Torque to Yield (TTY) head studs. With the head studs already torqued to their yield strength, any extra pressure causes a deformation/failure. When you increase fuel to make more power, you increase cylinder pressure. That increase is what pushed the head studs past their yield strength. Then you add in the Oil cooler clogging which increases the temperature on the EGR cooler because they are in series to one another and the EGR cooler weld fails from the increase in high end temperature. Early 6.0L had turbo oil drain failures, but later models were updated and not subsequent problems. Yes poor design, but nothing more than the 4R100 diode failures in the 2001 7.3L trucks. Ford tried to save money on those transmissions, but a single diode was prone to failure due to the reduction in cost of the diode. 1999 is the best oldest year from an engine perspective as the 1999 7.3L had forged rods. All other years had the compressed powder rods or Powder Modular Rods. 2002 is the best youngest year 7.3L as it had the updated 4R100 transmission and had the highest output 7.3L. Oh, and 2002 is when Ford started with clear headlights.


The 6.0L is still a solid engine with the updates.


That said, the early model Duramax engines were not much better than the 6.0L with their head warping problems.




Back on topic: what scans are you trying to do? There are better "tunes" out there besides Banks and Bully Dog, but wondering what scans your trying to do.

MudHog wrote:
That said, the early model Duramax engines were not much better than the 6.0L with their head warping problems.

The only prevailing issue with the early Duramax engines was the injectors. That LB7 engine was awesome. The amount that had warped heads was probably 1/10th the amount that had head issues out of the 6.0's. I used to get 20mpg avg in my '01 with mods. Best I ever got was 24mpg's on a tank. Plus that thing was fast as hell with a moderate tune. They were the very first engines people could make 1000hp and still be perfectly fine as a daily driver.

What is so bad about the 6.7 motor compared to the 6.0 mentioned above? Haven't heard of many motor problems out of those other than the 2011 model turbos failing on some.

jcthorne wrote:As bad as the 6.0 has been, the 6.7 is worse.

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scott j wrote:I have bullet proof it. Delete kit and intake, and six gunner. I wanted one that could scan to. Can i just add to what i got?

Stacking programmers is never a good idea, ecspecially on a 6.0 no matter how bullet proof it is! You can add the banks scanner to the six gun package. However if you have the complete six gun that i mentioned above it puts out over 200 extra h.p. on the engine. It will eventually spider crack the heads on that 6.0 bullet proofed or not if you leave it turned up. A bullet proofed 6.0 is a great long lasting engine if you run it stock anything past that is asking for trouble......the expensive kind!