Federal Government officially OWNS us now....

[umrebs]

When it's 1,000 people against one...then maybe it's you umreb that is the ignorant one

There are a lot more than a thousand ignorant people in this world. I don't call people ignorant just because they have a different opinion than me. I have lived in MS my whole life and 99% of my friends have different opinions on politics than I do. I am calling you ignorant because you are a dumbass. The fact that your political ideology is different than mine only makes me more sure of my own opinions.

[kb7722]

[umrebs]

[deltadukman]

Umrebs. My comment about Ole Miss didnt have anything to do with healthcare. I was wondering where you stood on some issues. Are you a liberal, anti conservative or just like to stir the pot or play devils advocate? Im not getting into a pissing match, but your last string of posts has seemed to want to call out the majority of this board as racists narrow minded rednecks because they are calling whats going on in the world like they see it. I believe this board is now calling you as they see it.

[Seymore]

The end of this country is a lot closer than any of us realize. China has already started buying hard assets like Gold and not only the asset but the mining operations that produce the asset. In a few year when they demand US Bonds be issued in yuan then even the media won't be able to argue the fact we are headed for collapse. When we won't issue in yuan, imagine that political firestorm, and refuse then we will no longer be able to fund our debt. That's when the bottom fall out of this thing and we see the collapse of our Government. The day we started borrowing to pay for our $#!+ was the day this country started on the path to collapse. FDR and The New Deal was the beginning of the end. Eisenhower had the opportunity to undo it but didn't. By the time LBJ came along he just added to the debt with The Great Society.

Humans are a very predictable species. We do not learn from history and are doomed to repeat it. The fall of the Roman Empire was due in large part to excessive government. We are following the same path.

[umrebs]

Umrebs. My comment about Ole Miss didnt have anything to do with healthcare. I was wondering where you stood on some issues. Are you a liberal, anti conservative or just like to stir the pot or play devils advocate? Im not getting into a pissing match, but your last string of posts has seemed to want to call out the majority of this board as racists narrow minded rednecks because they are calling whats going on in the world like they see it. I believe this board is now calling you as they see it.

To be honest, I am somewhere in the middle. I am probably considered liberal using mississippi standards, but in other parts of the country I'm sure I would be considered conservative. I apologize if I insinuated that you were a "racist narrow minded redneck." That wasn't my intention. I think there are a lot of good people on this forum. Some may agree with my worldview and apparently several do not. That's fine too.

[Plainsman04]

I know this wasn't directed at me. I have no desire to get into a pissing match, but I will have a substantive discussion. To answer your cutesy little picture, the Bible doesn't teach that the government be the arbiter of Jesus' words. The Bible says it is the role of the church, meaning the people of God. So yes, I wholeheartedly agree with de-funding, reducing, and eliminating social programs through the government. It should not be the government's role to take care of people. That should be the role of the church. I'm ok with a government safety net because in some instances people will accept that more freely than they will help from a church. However, imprisoning whole generations to government handouts does nothing to advance the gospel and it does nothing to help people be self-sufficient. So no, I don't think Christians should shirk their responsibility to care for the widows, orphans, and needy by passing that responsibility off on the government via taxes and wealth redistribution. It is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. Quit trying to defend yourself with petty little attacks and self-righteousness. It smacks of insecurity and arrogance.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

[quote="farmerc83]What part of people being responsible for taking care of themselves and their kids are you so opposed to? Removing responsibility and consequence seems to be the essence of the current democrat party, so what the hell is so bad about personal responsibility and consequences?

umreb.....please respond to my post from page 2. You ignored my question about responsibility and chose to argue the use/definition of the term "non-swimmer"....typical. Do you believe in personal responsibility and if so, where do we need to draw the line between helping and enabling? Medicaid, unemployment and EBT card time restrictions/limits ok with you or should these "temporary" safety net programs be offered to individuals indefinitely, becoming their expected income?

Maybe if you explain your stance definitively, without deflecting to racism and victimizing poor children, the rest of us could make an honest assessment of your views. As seen during the threads on the MS abortion, this place isn't always blindly leaning to the right.

I am all for being responsible and taking care of yourself and your kids. I am not opposed to any part of that.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

You need to put up or shut up umreb. If you want to make a legitimate stand for your beliefs then you must engage your opponents in more than rhetoric. You are acting like a politician. If you cannot give in-depth answers on in-depth inquiries on why you believe in what you do, then you lose credibility in the real world- certainly in a debate.

He did not ask what you believe insomuch as why, or better yet, how you came about believing in the aforementioned "what".

If you believe that your answer to that question will suffice, then you are in for a long road ahead when it comes to people questioning your beliefs. This may be the reason your philosophical viewpoints are, to more elderly people, so backwards.

You see, your belief system is on par with the vast majority of teenagers and young adults. That in and of itself should indicate that you may not be quite so sure as to why you believe in what you do. You just believe "this".

If you cannot answer the questions proposed then do not expect a debate. Your sarcastic, narcissistic, politcally correct replies to the thread are at fault- and they alone- to the reason some others have replied to this thread and to you with hostility. You spit these sarcastic, narcissistic, politically correct views and have the gall to expect anything back other than the same? Are you a fool? And I mean that respectfully- put yourself in others' shoes.

And again, very few people here need you telling us about black culture. Mississippian white folk are the blackest in the nation. Our culture, whether we know it or not, is based on 60% black, 40% white values and traditions. We don't do casseroles down south, we do ribs. Etc,etc.

So, in reality, you are spewing the same crap that 90% of the rest of the country is. And you expect us to sit by and take it? Especially when it is from someone who is from MS, who deep down inside knows better? You know better. If you are from Mississippi you know better. You know EXACTLY why there are so many of us who have the viewpoints that we do. You know why we despise lazy people- of all colors- like we do. Because we see them everyday we put a pair of work boots on. We are not Utah. We are not upstate New York. We see the grim reality of government dependence everyday. And the reason we despise these people is because we know that there is more to life than the lifestyle they have chosen- the lifestyle of begging. They know full-well what kind of life they will live by being a begger. We know full-well that the alternative, work, is a much better choice.

From the beginning we were made to work the garden- hard work is a divine thing. And there is no way to refute the FACT that the dichotomy between the lifestyles of those who work hard and those who beg, is striking. The reason it is so is because work is divine, not because work is capitalism. There is no way to refute the fact that when you beg, you lose.

When you get done answering farmer's question, you know the rest of the question, then answer me this: if this lifestyle that the poor, the beggers, "the children" are living is such a commendable thing; a perfectly acceptable way to live; an absolute product of capitalism and capitalism only- then why do you choose to live your lifestyle of working everyday?

Why do you choose to go to work everyDAY, when you too can live like they do. What makes you that much different from the sorry whites? I know rich little bratts who will be broke when they turn 40 because of their laziness. What makes them so different than you? Why won't you quit your job and live like they do if the begger's way of life is so acceptable?

If you really believe in your philosophy of these people, then quit your job- today. I am serious. Quit. If you have no problem whatsoever with these people and their chosen way to live, or lack thereof, then why in the hell would you choose to go to work everyday? Why? Because I know one thing- if I found their way of life to be perfectly acceptable, then there is no way in hell I'd be out here pulling 60 hours a week. No way in HELL.

Answer questions and debate, or go down in flames and shame. Currently you have failed miserably in articulating your views on this thread and others. Stop the childish, politician-like games. I think the most respectful and productive thing for all of us to do is to give you- and any other opposing viewpoints- the floor. Because then and only then can we debate about legitimate issues and not narcissism and sarcasm.

You are acting like a fool. Give respect, recieve respect.

Why do you believe in what you do?

[kb7722]

I don't care if a person claims to be a republican, democrat, liberal, conservative, conservative democrat, liberal republican it doesnt matter. There are a million good deeds that we could argue that the government should do. Things that all people think are wonderful. BUT at the end of the day somebody has got to pay for all these wonderful things and guess what, the US is BROKE!!! The checks are about to start bouncing. So you can point your finger and say shame on you Republicans for not taken care of the sick children, but in the long run its better for the children if the US is still functioning and can pay its bills. Don't get me wrong, this is not just about health care. Spending needs to be cut across the board.

[trey]

Umrebs. My comment about Ole Miss didnt have anything to do with healthcare. I was wondering where you stood on some issues. Are you a liberal, anti conservative or just like to stir the pot or play devils advocate? Im not getting into a pissing match, but your last string of posts has seemed to want to call out the majority of this board as racists narrow minded rednecks because they are calling whats going on in the world like they see it. I believe this board is now calling you as they see it.

To be honest, I am somewhere in the middle. I am probably considered liberal using mississippi standards, but in other parts of the country I'm sure I would be considered conservative. I apologize if I insinuated that you were a "racist narrow minded redneck." That wasn't my intention. I think there are a lot of good people on this forum. Some may agree with my worldview and apparently several do not. That's fine too.

I respect your views but probably don't agree with all of them but i'm sure we agree on several issues, with that being said,

How can you compare Obamacare to Romneycare??? 6.5 million in Massachusetts and 311 million people in USA... That's like saying a small business should practice the same polices as the largest corporations in the world... that's like comparing 50 acres in hancock county to 50 acres in Madison county on the big black! In my opinion, you can't compare the two until you actually look at both plans in it's entirety. I'm not thrilled with either candidate to be honest with you, but I don't want something shoved down my throat either!

[kb7722]

I know this wasn't directed at me. I have no desire to get into a pissing match, but I will have a substantive discussion. To answer your cutesy little picture, the Bible doesn't teach that the government be the arbiter of Jesus' words. The Bible says it is the role of the church, meaning the people of God. So yes, I wholeheartedly agree with de-funding, reducing, and eliminating social programs through the government. It should not be the government's role to take care of people. That should be the role of the church. I'm ok with a government safety net because in some instances people will accept that more freely than they will help from a church. However, imprisoning whole generations to government handouts does nothing to advance the gospel and it does nothing to help people be self-sufficient. So no, I don't think Christians should shirk their responsibility to care for the widows, orphans, and needy by passing that responsibility off on the government via taxes and wealth redistribution. It is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. Quit trying to defend yourself with petty little attacks and self-righteousness. It smacks of insecurity and arrogance.

Well spoken!

[MSDawg870]

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[umrebs]

Greenhead, I'd be happy to discuss this further but I need you to clear up your question a little. Ask me a specific question and I'd be happy to answer it best I can. Simply asking me to explain why I think the way I think is a little too broad. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything and I'm sorry if I've said something to you that sounded arrogant.

[umrebs]

Plainsman I agree with a lot of what you are saying. The church should definitely play a role in caring for those in need. I guess where we differ in opinion is that I don't think only the church should care about those in need.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

You did not sound arrogant- you are arrogant. At least when it comes to political views. Just on this thread you have insulted others' religious views, brought up the race card, etc, etc. Are you so narcissistic and self-absorbed that you don't even realize when you are saying and doing offensive things to others? You really haven't realized this?

I know you realize it. You just don't care. Answer this: if everyone else is in the wrong for thinking your views are wrong, then what makes it ok for you to insult others? Give respect, get respect.

This is simple. The quote in my post- answer farmer's question, the rest of it. Where does taking care of others end?

Why do you believe in the idealogy that supporting beggers is a perfectly fine and acceptable thing? Again, look at the context of the thread, or discussion, and answer "why" you believe in what you do. It shouldn't be difficult.

You answered the "what" to farmer's question. Now answer, " this is why." But in order to do that you must answer and go deeper than simply stating, "I believe in responsibility and taking care of yourself and your children"- as you said.

For instance: This is WHAT I think about acceptable limits in regards to taking care of others: "..." Then answer WHY. AKA, the philosophy of the way your mind ticks when it comes to these issues.

Is that clear enough?

My last sentence was in the context of this thread. Obviously I am not asking to know why you think like umreb thinks- about everything.


Do not make me out to be a fool. Make no mistake- if you continue to act like a child when politics, religion, etc come up, then you will continue to look- and prove- that YOU are the fool.