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Re: GLOBAL WARMING CORRAL

Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:36 pm

"The relatively rapid change in vegetation characteristics was observed from late summer through the fall, when the multi-million dollar NASA instrument recorded a distinct change in vegetation color from green to various shades of yellow, brown, orange, and red.......

"While there have been anecdotal reports for many years of this die-off phenomenon, those reports have been restricted to local regions. We have, for the first time, documented the global scale of the event, which covers much of the Northern Hemisphere during the months of September and October", said Dr. Jorgenson. ......

Bolstering this theory, Jorgenson claimed, is the observed return of vegetation health in the spring as temperatures warm and heating oil use drops to near zero. ...............

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We used to refer to this "phenomenon" as simply...... the "fall" season...... when leaves on trees turn to "various shades of yellow, brown, orange, and red". This has been true in my yards (and everywhere else I travel in MS) as long as I have lived. And this "phenomenon" has included die off of vegetation, due to cooler fall and early winter temps, such as certain types of grass -- like bermuda, vines, kudzu, poison ivy and oak plants, etc. etc. etc.

And then miraculously, in the spring, we always see "the observed return of vegetation health as temps warm", with the vegetation once again greening and the natural process of nature and plants repeating itself.

Until this report, I had no idea that these observed occurences that I thought were normal, were actually abnormal due to man's use of fossil fuels, particulary heating oil. And I had no idea that it was all tied to global warming. Wow. ( Of course, we don't use heating oil at my home -- we use electricity and propane or natural gas for heating, but these are just minor details ).

This "article" has got to be a joke?
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Postby 4dawgma » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:29 pm

Yes, it's a "joke". That's about the dumbest global warming "article" I've ever seen. It's probably from the same guys that wrote the "article" claiming there were WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION in Iraq. I'm goin' go fill up my 1-ton duelly(sic.) crew cab and drive home now. Have a nice day. :D
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Postby MSDawg870 » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:53 pm

Leaves falling in the Fall, the HELL you say??? :?
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Postby Boogerden Boy » Wed May 21, 2008 8:25 am

My fat is sweating
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Postby mudsucker » Wed May 21, 2008 11:52 am

Wish mine would! :oops:
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Postby Double R 2 » Mon May 26, 2008 8:36 pm

Exactly.

March of the Polar Bears

The polar bear was categorized as "threatened" last week. (U.s. Fish And Wildlife Service Via Associated Press)

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By George F. Will
Thursday, May 22, 2008; Page A25

A preventive war worked out so well in Iraq that Washington last week launched another. The new preventive war -- the government responding forcefully against a postulated future threat -- has been declared on behalf of polar bears, the first species whose supposed jeopardy has been ascribed to global warming.

The Interior Department, bound by the Endangered Species Act, has declared polar bears a "threatened" species because they might be endangered "in the foreseeable future," meaning 45 years. (Note: 45 years ago, the now-long-forgotten global cooling menace of 35 years ago was not yet foreseen.) The bears will be threatened if the current episode of warming, if there really is one, is, unlike all the previous episodes, irreversible, and if it intensifies, and if it continues to melt sea ice vital to the bears, and if the bears, unlike in many previous warming episodes, cannot adapt.

Because of restrictions on hunting, polar bears might be more numerous today than ever and might be twice as numerous as they were three decades ago -- when the media were fanning frenzy about global cooling. (Science magazine, March 1975, reported "the approach of a full-blown 10,000-year ice age.") As Nigel Lawson, a former British cabinet member, writes in his new book, "An Appeal to Reason: A Cool Look at Global Warming":

"Over the past two-and-a-half-million years, a period during which the planet's climate fluctuated substantially, remarkably few of the earth's millions of plant and animal species became extinct. This applies not least, incidentally, to polar bears, which have been around for millennia, during which there is ample evidence that polar temperatures have varied considerably."

But Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne says the "threatened" label is mandatory because sea ice has been melting and computer models postulate future melting caused by human activity. So, now that human activity is assumed to be the primary cause, or even a measurable cause, of warming, the decision to classify the bears as threatened has become a mighty lever.


Now that polar bears are wards of the government, and now that it is a legal doctrine that humans are responsible for global warming, the Endangered Species Act has acquired unlimited application. Anything that can be said to increase global warming can -- must -- be said to threaten bears already designated as threatened.

Want to build a power plant in Arizona? A building in Florida? Do you want to drive an SUV? Or leave your cellphone charger plugged in overnight? Some judge might construe federal policy as proscribing these activities. Kempthorne says such uses of the act, unintended by those who wrote it in 1973, would be "wholly inappropriate." But in 1973, climate Cassandras :lol: :lol: :lol: [sic, mine] were saying that "the world's climatologists are agreed" that we must "prepare for the next ice age" (Science Digest, February 1973). And no authors of the Constitution or the 14th Amendment intended to create a "fundamental" right to abortion, but there it is.

No one can anticipate or control the implications that judges might discover in the polar bear designation. Give litigious environmentalists a compliant judge, and the Endangered Species Act might become what New Dealers wanted the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 to be -- authority to regulate almost everything.

What Friedrich Hayek called the "fatal conceit" -- the idea that government (or individuals that benefit from a predicatable outcome [my thoughts not the authors]) can know the future's possibilities and can and should control the future's unfolding -- is the left's agenda. The left exists to enlarge the state's supervision of life, narrowing individual choices in the name of collective goods. Hence the left's hostility to markets. And to automobiles -- people going wherever they want whenever they want.

Today's "green left" is the old "red left" revised. Marx, a short-term pessimist but a long-term optimist, prophesied deepening class conflict but thought that history's violent dialectic would culminate in a revolution that would usher in material abundance and such spontaneous cooperation that the state would wither away.

The green left preaches pessimism: Ineluctable scarcities (of energy, food, animal habitat, humans' living space) will require a perpetual regime of comprehensive rationing. The green left understands that the direct route to government control of almost everything is to stigmatize, as a planetary menace, something involved in almost everything -- carbon.

Environmentalism is, as Lawson writes, an unlimited "license to intrude." "Eco-fundamentalism," which is "the quasi-religion of green alarmism," promises "global salvationism." Onward, green soldiers, into preventive war on behalf of some bears who are simultaneously flourishing and "threatened."


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING CORRAL

Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Wed May 28, 2008 2:52 pm

Rut row, the alleged scientific community "consensus" on global warming referenced by Al Gore and others is getting smaller.

This is a petition from the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine ("OISM"):

Global Warming Petition
We urge the United States government to reject the global warming agreement that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December, 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.

There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.


This petition has been signed by over 31,000 American scientists.

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Here are excerpts from a letter composed by Dr. Noah Robinson seeking signatures to the petition from members of the scientific community:

Rearch Review of Global Warming Evidence

The United States is very close to adopting an international agreement that would ration the use of energy and of technologies that depend upon coal, oil, and natural gas and some other organic compounds.

This treaty is, in our opinion, based upon flawed ideas. Research data on climate change do not show that human use of hydrocarbons is harmful. To the contrary, there is good evidence that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide is environmentally helpful.

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Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide

A review of the research literature concerning the environmental consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to the conclusion that increases during the 20th Century have produced no deleterious effects upon global weather, climate, or temperature. Increased carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth rates. Predictions of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in minor greenhouse gases like CO2 are in error and do not conform to current experimental knowledge.

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Note: The Petition Project has no funding from energy industries or other parties with special financial interests in the "global warming" debate. Funding for the project comes entirely from private non-tax deductible donations by interested individuals.



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Re: GLOBAL WARMING CORRAL

Postby JDgator » Fri May 30, 2008 7:10 pm

Mary mother of god will someone nuke this thread :?:
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Postby 4dawgma » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:30 pm

I second :?
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Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:59 pm

I think we should leave it up as sort of a countdown until the projected "doomsday". :lol:
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Postby Boogerden Boy » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:03 pm

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Postby peewee » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:28 pm

Po Monkey Lounge picked one part of a post I made about plausible reasons for reduced fall flights in the south Delta...Rather than allow his post about GLOBAL WARMING to hijack that thread, I have challenged him to a showdown here at the GLOBAL WARMING CORRAL, not to embarass, but to enlighten him and any other non-believers...6 shots to get us started...

BULLET 1: The NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES- which is the #1 scientific authority in the United States- said in June, 2005 that "The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nation's taking prompt action."




According to who? I actually know a good many scientist that would laugh until they cried at that statement. :roll:
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Postby Hammer » Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:42 pm

Thanks for booting her back up fellas...So where were we? Oh yes...The National Intelligence Agency, a consortium of 16 federal agencies who keep us safe, has now drunk the koolaid, along with the US Supreme Court, the Bush Administration, McCain and Obama, most of the Fortune 500, the Pope, etc, etc, etc...Yet the GW Naysayers on MS Ducks persist in their denial...I truly, honestly hope you guys are right- that GW is a hoax, a spoof, but the enviros had it right on the Ozone, they had it right on Acid Rain, they had it right on DDT and they've had it right on a bunch of other big picture sit-you-ations including the Dead Zone...

I appreciate PeeWee taking us back to the top since the real issue on this thread is do we trust scientific bodies such as the National Academy of Sciences or not? Do we really believe that most of the Fortune 500 is jumping on board because this is a money deal developed to cheat us out of more of hard earned coin, to redistribute wealth to the Third World (as though that will do them any good, as though they wont blow it on trinkets and baubles like most of the aid we have given them over the last 50 years).

As fun as this debate has been, at some point, dont you kinda ask yourself what do the folks running the country know that you dont?
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Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:42 am

"at some point, dont you kinda ask yourself what do the folks running the country know that you dont?"

Well Hammer, all I can say is that my thoughts on the topic are unencumbered by any quest for personal monetary gain, political power, or any self-serving agenda. I have nothing personal to gain or lose in this debate. Thus, I view myself as completely independent. And I have read a lot about this topic over the last couple of years, and am now as convinced as ever that the claims that we face catastrophic climate change due to CO2 levels in the atmosphere contributed by mankind, is without any merit and CANNOT be proven.

For the past 7 years, the earth's average temperature measurements have not been increasing (this is using the same methodology for measuring the earth's temp that the doomsday GW folks had been using ---while it is probably folly to assume we can actually measure the average temp of the earth using a relatively small amount of sample temp measuring stations spread out across the globe, I suppose it is at least useful to spot trends, if the same methodology is consistently applied). And just this past year, we experienced the largest single drop in the earth's average temp. in quite some time ---enough to nullify any gains in average temp over the last 15-20 years. And IF CO2 levels are going up as some proclaim, then the temp measurements are not behaving as they should if there were truly a direct correlation between CO2 levels and temperature increases. (Of course, this same observation could have been made by simply comparing historical charts of average global temps and CO2 levels in the atmosphere --- there are multiple lengthy periods of time in the earth's history when CO2 levels and temps are moving in opposite directions).

Many scientists across the globe are indicating that we are actually entering a global cooling period due to sun spots that will decrease the intensity of the sun's heating effect on the earth.

And one thing to keep in mind ---something the flawed computer climate models do not take into account ---- the greenhouse effect both heats AND COOLS the earth simultaneously. And often, the cooling effect is more than the heating effect. This is basic science, and it concerns me greatly that such things are ignored and not explained to the public by the "scientific community" in this debate. There has been such a rush to judgement to proclaim the debate over that true science is getting lost in the prospects of big $$$$ to be earned.

IMO, the science does not currently support the expenditure of large amounts of taxpayer money and resources on reducing CO2 levels in the atmosphere. Nor does it support measues that will increase our taxes, cause the cost of goods to go up, and otherwise increase the cost of living for our citizens. Such expenditures will be an absolute waste of money and valuable resources. It is sad that both candidates for president have bought into this nonsense and appear on the verge of putting into place bad govt. policies based upon flawed science that will cripple our economy, make us even more less competitive globally, and be hard to undo later when so many start feeding out of this new $$$ trough (the prophet of the junk science --Al Gore --is already set up to make a killing from this hoax). Once something like this is started ---eg cap and trade, carbon credits, etc. --- it is hard for folks to admit they are wrong and put an end to it.

But, in about 5 more years, when the effects of this nonsense start hitting the pocketbooks of average US citizens hard, and we still have not had any more increases in average global temps, and no climate calamity has occurred, the gig will be up. The folks will slowly lose interest in it, and it will pass like the global ice age warnings of the 70s. Folks will start questioning the science, as they should be doing now. Many scientists and politicians by then will be re-grouping to attempt to save face. And it should be quite comical to see what they come up with as cover.

In the meantime, I'm still here. We haven't perished yet. And I am not in the least bit worried about any GW doomsday. So far, this has been one of the coolest years in quite a while, and I am enjoying it. And consistent with the projections of many scientists , I am looking forward to a good cold winter which will bring more mallard ducks to my neck of the woods during our open season.

Its the end of the world as we know it, and I still feel fine. :wink:
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Re: GLOBAL WARMING CORRAL

Postby mudsucker » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:26 am

I hope for a global cooling day tomorrow as I am going to Delacroix Island to fish the marsh. I can use about a 78deg. day! :mrgreen: Bud Light ought to take up the slack if it gets to 95! 8)
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