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jkb87 wrote:

bigbeeducker wrote:Dude, I aint said nothing about this sheet yet because I have half a college education and know better. This is ridiculuos.


only half way through..... damn boy what you been doing everyday???

Figuratively man, figuratively.

I dunno those Weather Gurus or "Scientists" do such an outstanding job with the 7 - 10 day forecasts that I would be willing to bet they would definitely hit the nail on the head when talking about 50 - 100 yrs down the road

This stuff is so comical. All these "Scientists" will get rich over nothing and then trump up some new Global Crisis to draw Govt. money from. Wonder what the next one will be

does anyone know what it takes to be a scientist anyway...... nothing. no certain degree.... no certain years of college..... by definition you just have to be in study on a certain situation to call yourself a scientist.

jkb87 wrote:does anyone know what it takes to be a scientist anyway...... nothing. no certain degree.... no certain years of college..... by definition you just have to be in study on a certain situation to call yourself a scientist.

Oh and you have to find someone to pay you lots of money to keep coming up with this craziness.

mudsucker wrote:Crickets! Nothing but crickets!

I KNEW this wold get the ball rolling again! Hammer Time!

First, we heard that the Russian scientists were predicting a global cooling period.

Now, apparently, the Canadian scientists are part of the sinister PML heretic fringe as well. Its now a global anti-GW conspiracy I tell ya. Check this out:

Sun's low magnetic activity may portend an ice age

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Could be it's already started and our greenhouse gas emissions have just been slowing it down a tad.
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Sun's low magnetic activity may portend an ice age
The Canadian Space Agency’s radio telescope has been reporting Flux Density Values so low they will mean a mini ice age if they continue.

Like the number of sunspots, the Flux Density Values reflect the Sun’s magnetic activity, which affects the rate at which the Sun radiates energy and warmth. CSA project director Ken Tapping calls the radio telescope that supplies NASA and the rest of the world with daily values of the Sun’s magnetic activity a “stethoscope on the Sun”. In this case, however, it is the “doctor” whose health is directly affected by the readings.

This is because when the magnetic activity is low, the Sun is dimmer, and puts out less radiant warmth. If the Sun goes into dim mode, as it has in the past, the Earth gets much colder.

Tapping, who was originally from Kent, says that “Typically as you go through the ten or eleven year solar activity cycle you see the numbers go up or down. The lowest number is 64 or 68. The numbers 71 or 72 are very low, but they usually start to go up. We are at the end of a cycle, but the numbers still haven’t gone up. We have been joking around coffee that we may be seeing the Sun about to shut down.” (To date Tapping has been far more concerned about global warming.)

These were the values released yesterday -

Density Values in sfu for 22:00 on 2008:01:30
Julian Day Number : 2454496.406

Carrington Rotation Number : 2066.207

Observed Flux Density : 0073.6

Flux Density Adjusted for 1 A.U. : 0071.4

URSI Series D Flux, Adj. x 0.9 : 0064.3

According to NASA, “early, well-documented records indicate that the Sun went through a period of inactivity in the late 17th century" from about 1645 to 1715, during the Maunder Minimum.



Frost fair on the Thames, 1683

“This period of solar inactivity also corresponds to a climatic period called the Little Ice Age when rivers that are normally ice-free froze and snow fields remained year-round at lower altitudes.” It was called the Maunder Minimum, after Edward Maunder, a British accountant who saw a sunspot “like a tack in the Sun” while he was walking home, and subsequently made counting and analyzing sunspots, rather than money, his life’s work. There have been other Minimums. The Dalton Minimum of 1800 to 1810 was that period when Napoleon had his unfortunate encounter with the Russian winter.

If the Sun’s magnetic activity does not increase, and it goes dim for an extended period, it will get quite chilly. In the meantime the Canada Space Agency, the Royal Observatory Greenwich and the US Air Force Solar Optical Observing Network are all keeping an eye on the Sun.
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During the last Maunder Minimum and resulting Little Ice Age, not only could British residents skate all winter on a frozen Thames River, for several decades starting in the late 1600s each winter New Yorkers could walk from Manhattan to Staten Island.

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I am looking forward to seeing some really frigid weather again during duck season.

Call up to Fargo and ask them about Global warming!!

By Natalia Antelava
BBC, Tajikistan
After suffering its worst winter in 50 years, Tajikistan has finally appealed to the United Nations for aid. But a total loss of electricity is still a possibility, and could have terrible consequences.

Ermukhmad's soft voice fills a small, stuffy room. Seated in the dark corner, my host remembers the day when the president of Tajikistan inaugurated a brand new hydropower station, built with the help of Russian investors.

It was a festive ceremony and President Rakhmon sounded upbeat as he blessed the project, promising that it would soon bring light and warmth to thousands of homes across his energy-starved nation.

The ribbon-cutting ceremony took place on 20 January and it was, Ermukhmad says, the last time his family had electricity.

The irony of the coincidence is not lost on Ermukhmad.

As he tells me this story, his face - lit by the flickering, bleak light of the kerosene lamp - stretches in a gloomy grin.

Seconds later, a long rasping cough fills the room and he becomes serious again. "She is getting worse, but we can't afford to take her to a hospital," Ermukhmad tells me.

"She" is his 11-year-old daughter, who is sitting across the room from us and is, quite heroically, reading her Tajik literature textbook.

She traces the pages with the blue light of her small key-ring torch. Spread on their bellies by her side, her two little brothers are drawing something in the dark, their tongues stuck out in deep concentration.

Hardships

Ermukhmad's entire family of 10 lives in this tiny room.
Its air is heavy and full of smoke from the crackling woodstove. Gargling on top of it is rice porridge, the only thing they have eaten for months.

Left without heat, electricity or running water, they are among hundreds of thousands of people who are trying to survive the coldest winter Tajikistan has seen for decades.

"They have no future here," Ermukhmad tells me, pointing at his children. "This country," he adds, "has no future."

Tajikistan is well versed in hardship. It is Central Asia's poorest nation.

In the last decade alone, it lived through a civil war, has been shaken by several earthquakes, and been hit by severe avalanches.

Energy has always been scarce here, life has always been hard and yet, for Ermukhmad and millions of others, this winter has simply been too much.

It only took a few weeks of cold weather to throw this country decades back in time.

Overloaded power system

In January, as temperatures dropped to a record low of -20C, people started consuming more power to keep warm and the country's entire energy system began to shut down.

In the mountains, rivers froze, leaving hydropower stations without supplies to run their turbines.

And in the cities and villages, frozen pipes left millions of people without a source of drinking water.

"I lived in Sierra Leone during the war there but I think this is worse," one aid worker in the capital, Dushanbe, told me.

It may sound like an exaggeration but, after a few days in Tajikistan, I was ready to believe it. There is something extremely oppressive, almost humiliating, about being constantly cold.

The merciless chill seeps through clothes, bites into skin and never lets go.

Left without heat and electricity, most people have nowhere to hide from it.

The sheer effort spent on trying to keep warm has exhausted people and their finances.

The UN agencies say that, with more money spent on fuel or wood, people have nothing left to eat and that food shortages are becoming severe.

The main reservoir of the country's biggest hydropower station is slowly but steadily running out of water.

It is like a giant bathtub that has been unplugged and, once all of it goes, the whole country could shut down.

Health fears

At a freezing-cold maternity ward outside Dushanbe, a nurse told me she was terrified of the disaster that a total blackout could bring.

Electricity supplies to her hospital are already scarce and there is no heating.

Wrapped up in several blankets, newborns are kept warm with bottles of hot water that hospital staff put in their cribs.

The method does not always work.

Floating around Dushanbe are horrifying accounts of babies freezing to death in maternity wards, or people on life support, dying during electricity cuts.

Aid workers confirm these stories but the government does not.

Warnings ignored

Authorities say the deaths are not related to the energy crisis.

Over dinner in a cold, candle-lit restaurant in Dushanbe, a Tajik journalist, who did not want to be named, said that the government was in denial.

"Across the border in Afghanistan," he said, "the cold has claimed hundreds of lives.

"China's communist leaders also admitted that they had a problem. Why can't our government do the same?" he said.

Last week, as things got progressively worse, the Tajik authorities did ask for help and the UN promised it would soon arrive.

But many people here are angry that this appeal did not come earlier. And they are asking why the government ignored weather warnings and failed to prepare for the winter.

Said, a driver in Dushanbe, told me he knew the answer. "They just don't care about us," he said, as we drove through the pitch-dark streets of the capital.

"Tomorrow, he added, "if every single person is dead in the city, I wonder if they will even notice."


From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Thursday, 14 February, 2007 at 1100 GMT on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.

By John Ruwitch

CHENZHOU, China, Feb 4 (Reuters) - Millions remained stranded in China on Monday ahead of the biggest holiday of the year as parts of the country suffered their coldest winter in a century.

Freezing weather has killed scores of people and left travellers stranded before the Lunar New Year, or Spring Festival -- the only opportunity many people have to take a holiday all year.

It has also brought China unwanted negative publicity six months before the Summer Olympics in Beijing.

President Hu Jintao chaired an emergency Politburo meeting on Sunday for the second time in a week to discuss rescue efforts.

"We have to be clear-minded that the inclement weather and severe disaster will continue to plague certain regions in the south," said a statement issued after Sunday's meeting. "Relief work will continue to face challenges, posing a tough task."

The China Meteorological Administration said the weather was the coldest in 100 years in central Hubei and Hunan provinces, going by the total number of consecutive days of average temperature less than 1 degree Celsius (33.8 degrees Fahrenheit).

But it expected brighter weather ahead, though fog could become a problem and temperatures at night would likely still be below freezing, slowing the thaw.

"The weather over the disaster-stricken regions is likely to turn better in the next several days, but it is still necessary to remain alert for possible low temperatures, frozen rain, snow, freezing and heavy fog," said administration head Zheng Guoguang.

He added the cold snap had caught the country off guard, in an area unprepared for such heavy snow. But climate change could see more extremes in weather in China, Zheng warned.

Four people died after a snow-laden roof collapsed at a fuel station in the eastern city of Nanjing on Sunday, Xinhua news agency said. One person was killed in a stampede at Guangzhou railway station in the south as people rushed to board trains.

Roads and railways, some of which have been blocked for days, have started to move again, and fewer flights were being cancelled, state media said, offering a glimmer of hope.

CAJOLED TO SKIP HOLIDAY

Authorities in the southern city of Guangzhou said their priority was to clear the backlog of travellers, having cajoled millions of migrant workers to stay put and skip the holiday.

Elsewhere, efforts turned to restoring power and water, which some cities, such as Chenzhou in the south, have been without for more than a week, causing some to question China's ability to handle emergencies months before Beijing holds the Olympics.

"Without power the only information we have been getting is by SMS from the government," said Chenzhou resident Zheng Ninghong, tending a fruit stall amid the slush.

"There was one, I think, that said it would get warmer, but what we need is electricity."

China has largely avoided unrest throughout the crisis, in part due to hundreds of thousands of soldiers and paramilitary police that have been deployed around the country to help with disaster relief and crowd control.

Mobilising the might of the state, China has deployed more than 300,000 troops and nearly 1.1 million militia and army reservists to get traffic moving and ensure power supplies.

Pictures from Wuhan, capital of the central province of Hubei and lying at the middle reaches of the Yangtze and Han rivers, showed cars blanketed not by snow, but by ice. Riverside barriers and trees were draped in huge icicles.

The China Daily quoted Li Pumin, spokesman for top planning body the National Development and Reform Commission, as saying power plants in Beijing and Shanghai had only enough coal for less than seven days.

"But top economic planners said the country had reversed a sharp decline in coal reserves. There was enough coal on Saturday to generate electricity for the entire country for the next eight days," the newspaper added. (Additional reporting by Ben Blanchard in Beijing; Editing by Nick Macfie and Alex Richardson)

Friday, 15 February 2008
Two children have died and hundreds of elderly people are seriously ill, while crops and livestock have been devastated by a month-long cold snap in Vietnam's northern mountains, officials said yesterday.
The worst cold spell in years, linked to icy winter weather in neighbouring China, has seen hospitals overflow with cases of pneumonia and other respiratory diseases, health officials and media reports said.
The unusual cold spell has killed more than 8,000 cattle and buffalos, wiped out over 120,000 acres of rice fields and devastated peanut and soybean crops, the agriculture ministry said.
Northern farms have been hard hit as temperatures dropped below freezing and ice covered mountains in northern Lang Son province and around the former French hill station of Sapa in Lao Cai province near the Lao border.
At least two children's deaths have been linked to the harsh weather, when they froze to death during a family motorcycle trip in Phu Tho province north of Hanoi this week, the state-run Vietnam News daily reported.
"This cold spell has lasted for 33 days," said Bui Minh Tang, director of the National Centre for Hydro-Meteorological Forecasting. "This is the coldest and longest cold spell in more than a decade.
"It has caused human and economic losses, cattle have died, rice crops have died, some people have died, and many have fallen sick."
Another official at the meteorological centre added: "We predict that this long cold spell will end by Sunday."
The number of children admitted to hospital has tripled in some areas, and many elderly have been treated for pneumonia, with hundreds of people in hospital across northern Vietnam, local media reported.
"The number of children coming to our clinic increased because of the cold weather," said Nguyen Tien Dung, head of paediatrics at Bach Mai Hospital in Hanoi. He said admissions had at least tripled to 30 to 40 children a day.

Fri, 15 Feb 2008
Kabul - The coldest winter in three decades has claimed the lives of nearly 1,000 Afghanis, while thousands of animals died and hundreds of houses were destroyed due to the bitter weather, snowstorms and avalanches, officials said on Friday. "According to our information, 926 people have died and 231 people were wounded due to bad weather and avalanches throughout the country," Ahmed Shikeeb Amraz, National Disaster Management Commission spokesman said.

He said the cold weather also left at least 316, 000 animals dead, while 734 houses were destroyed and another 457 houses damaged.

Amraz feared the death toll might increase as the snow thaws and the government gets access to remote areas that have been cut off by heavy snows.

"We are very concerned that the death toll will increase, for example, up to yesterday the number of people who lost their lives in Herat province was 330, but this morning the information showed that the number had gone up to 426," he said.

Herat and other western provinces have experienced the heaviest snowfall and coldest weather in recorded history, with the lowest temperature this season reaching minus 30 degrees Celsius.

Many roads linking the districts to provincial capitals in western and northern provinces were blocked by heavy snow, causing food shortages.

According to the Public Health Ministry, more than 170,000 patients with pneumonia and other acute respiratory infections have been diagnosed and treated at hospitals around the country in the past two months.

Several patients were suffering from frostbite, causing the loss of fingers and toes.

JJ

If it doesn't come from the all mighty Al Gore's mouth, it is a lie. I thought you knew that.

I was talking to my friend and my grandpa up in Canada this week. They said it has warmed up to a pleasent -15 degrees from -30 this past weekend. But that it would be dropping to -47 with wind chill today. They were hoping Al Gore was right, but it doesn't look like it just yet.

Someone call these folks and just tell them to be patient. It should be warming up quite a bit any day now. Al Gore, at one time, said (paraphrasing here) that the earth was sick with a fever and we only had about 5 years or so left to live life as we know it before global warming killed us all. So, warmer temps are on the way. Al said so.

After going to such great lengths to link slightly warming global temps (that assumes one accepts that the measurements are indeed correct) over the last century or so, to alleged increases in CO2 in the atmosphere, it will now be very difficult for the green alarmists to suddenly shift gears and declare that the coming (and perhaps happening/starting now) global cooling trend is related to the CO2 increase. BUT, never fear, they will have no problem making this shift in theory, and will go so far as to somehow argue that such is what they were actually saying all along.

In other words, they were just talking about climate change in general --- any type of climate change. And they will claim that humans are now causing such climate change (warming or cooling) despite the FACT that our global climate has always incurred change going as far back in time as one wants to investigate or ponder. In FACT, the only consistent thing one can say about our global climate is that it is constantly changing.

But, for now, sticking with the original theory that global WARMING is the result of high CO2 levels, all of us need to start burning as many outdoor fires as we can, smoking cigars, burning gas in our vehicles, and otherwise putting as much CO2 in the air as possible to help these poor folks out who are freezing to death -- literally --- and to help delay and perhaps mitigate our own cooling trend coming soon. Global warming is the only way to stop global cooling.

Im not saying ur right or wrong,,, but the gentlemen who started The Weather Channel was on Glen Beck and he dissagrees with you all and says there is no such thing as global warming.

**** I believe you were talking about Carbon Monoixide.. not Carbon dioixide we breath out and the plants use it.

1. for all you GORE 08 fans and think he is some great man, if he cares so much about the earth why in his campaigns did he use more jet fuel for his planes than any canadite ever. As well, he has a house that uses more energy in 1 month than the average American household in 1 year.

2. Global Warming is a theory,,,not a fact. It cant be proven

3. If any of you who has taken a geology class in a College or University and the teacher has taught it on a non bias level, you would have learned the world goes through cycles of heating and cooling,,, we are possibly in a heating stage probably not though... This was proven through looking at MILLIONS of years of rocks...

4. It wasnt 15yrs ago when we were going through a ICE AGE ..Jesus people quit jumping on the ban wagon.. Yalls Boy GORE is making a killing off of you all.

5. McCain is a freakin liberal in a rebulican suit.

6. An if you all believe in the Global Warming soooo much trade in ur gas guzzling Z71s and FX4s and get a freaking Toyota Preuis.. And stop making all these freaking long duck hunting trips that are contributing highly to the co2.

7. 1 VOLCANO puts out more CARBON MONOXIDE than the human race can in 100yrs.

and theres my 2cents.

Carbon Dioxide, or CO2, is exactly what the green alarmists are claiming is causing global temperatures to rise. They are asserting a direct correlation between increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere and temperature increases.

Now, these folks don't like carbon monoxide either --- a byproduct of the combustion engine. And too much of carbon monoxide in the air can indeed be hazardous to one's health. But, that is not what they are claiming is causing the global warming.