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20- EXPLUSION & FINES. Violation of any of these rules is grounds for expulsion from the club with no refund of dues. I keep all fine money as liquidated damages for you being a pain in my backside for having to deal with your rule breaking. The rules are the rules. THESE ARE RULES- NOT GUIDELINES. I follow them to the T and expect all members to do the same.


Found this on the draft rules!! I think that at least answers one question.

I will say one thing...that I guess is classified in defense of Hammer...though I am just saying, not trying to defend...

I own/operate a non-profit organization and I keep fine money myself...it's alot of work and alot of stress, as a leader in a camp or club/organization I think you've earned to right to benefit from overbudgeting and fines, etc. I am positive the president of our club gets these type perks and I am perfectly fine with that, b/c it's his work that allows us to have a camp, he shouldn't be as liable for the same expense when he's giving more to the cause for the overall group. While I realize that there are likely more extinuating circumstances with this whole BRHC soap opera, the general idea of those that put in more get back more is not so alien...in reading through most of 45 pages it seems alot of people stretching themselves to be able to be able to pile on...nobody is gonna fight and nobody is gonna win a lawsuit if they are dumb enough to actually go there...drop it! If you don't like that mans rules, hunt elsewhere...

I'm not real big on the rules of the catholic church but I don't spend all day going on and on about it...I just practice a different religious affiliation.

Dang! Like the sands through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives!!!! Weather was nice at daylight this morning wasn't it? LOL!!

dannyt wrote:Dang! Like the sands through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives!!!! Weather was nice at daylight this morning wasn't it? LOL!!

VERY! makes one want for October!

I agree and see what you are saying. Only thing that sticks out to me on this. Why is he any better then any of his members? They are putting in time just as much as him. Yes he holds the lease to property. Does food plots on his own but ray Stevens can do that once you figure out how to. It seems like everyone else is putting in grunt work and he is being paid for it. Then the statement on fines was a joke. If I would have Seen that there'd be no way I'd ever join.
Yes rules are rules and you will have people test and push the limits. That is everywhere you go in any club with a bunch of people coming in and being kicked out and not many refunding members over and over. If I was in his club after all this and even before, Wed better be shooting 170 class deer. That's the way he broadcasts it on everything. Why would someone want a head person like a dictator? Then thinks us better then everyone BC he knows it all according to him. He's been there and dealt with it and did it before and better then anyone else. When your like this to your paying members your going g to have problems. It also seems to me he gets trouble people to kick them out and make extra money then bring someone else in. To many rules and to strict for people to follow at all times. Again people make mistakes just human. If your going to fine people that's fine, put it back into the club if all members are pulling together to get business done. If he was the only one doing it then yes the money should go to him but not when others are doing the same if not more then him

camlock wrote:I will say one thing...that I guess is classified in defense of Hammer...though I am just saying, not trying to defend...

I own/operate a non-profit organization and I keep fine money myself...it's alot of work and alot of stress, as a leader in a camp or club/organization I think you've earned to right to benefit from overbudgeting and fines, etc. I am positive the president of our club gets these type perks and I am perfectly fine with that, b/c it's his work that allows us to have a camp, he shouldn't be as liable for the same expense when he's giving more to the cause for the overall group. While I realize that there are likely more extinuating circumstances with this whole BRHC soap opera, the general idea of those that put in more get back more is not so alien...in reading through most of 45 pages it seems alot of people stretching themselves to be able to be able to pile on...nobody is gonna fight and nobody is gonna win a lawsuit if they are dumb enough to actually go there...drop it! If you don't like that mans rules, hunt elsewhere...

I'm not real big on the rules of the catholic church but I don't spend all day going on and on about it...I just practice a different religious affiliation.

Hammer wrote:Logan-

I just wanted to drop you a quick line to say thanks for all you do at BRHC. Since I joined last year, you have gone out of your way to make me feel welcome and to help put me on a big, mature buck. I can't believe I passed on the 130-140" buck in 18-4; but I swear he wasn't 4.5 yrs old. I can't wait to see what he looks like this year!! Anyway, thanks again for all you do and I look forward to another great year at BRHC!

Best regards,
Carey Hemphill

FYI Carey also passed on a nice 3.5 year old in Illinois that his buddy killed about 30 minutes later, then he winged one down near Hattiesburg where he lives. But he finished strong with nice, mature buck up in Sasketchwan. (That was in the final months before his baby was born!)

please confirm for everybody that Carey is in fact a returning member of the club. Thanks bithces.

i just got off the phone with him

What he say bout being drug in to this?

In a democracy, you are right. But tell me this, when somebody falls from a treestand and gets hurt and then decides to sue, how many guys that planted foodplots and trimmed roads, cut grass, etc. are gonna stand up to be liable...NONE. They are gonna say, well the leader is "so and so" and it's his lease and I'm just a member. Hunting, and other adult organizations, aren't he-man woman hater clubs, they require work and leadership...like it or not, being a leader is a job and it comes with perks. Why do you thnk a supervisor, foreman, etc gets more pay or bigger bonus...i mean his employees do the "work", shouldn't they be getting equal? What's happening is that the general principles or our society aren't begin applied b/c this is just "hunting"...well that's just not how it works anymore...you wanna be a saint, go find lease land and handle all that goes with making it a hunting club, then when you get a handful of memebers and they come to a work day and help clean and cut, see if you feel they are equally responsible for the clubs wellbeing and then see if they are willing to be equally liable and responsible for everything else and the maintenance of the lease and legalities for the future...

Once again, I am not defending Hammer, I think his rules are pretty out there...but if he's done the work to establish BRHC, then it's his perogative how he writes the rules.

levi127 wrote:I agree and see what you are saying. Only thing that sticks out to me on this. Why is he any better then any of his members? They are putting in time just as much as him. Yes he holds the lease to property. Does food plots on his own but ray Stevens can do that once you figure out how to. It seems like everyone else is putting in grunt work and he is being paid for it. Then the statement on fines was a joke. If I would have Seen that there'd be no way I'd ever join.
Yes rules are rules and you will have people test and push the limits. That is everywhere you go in any club with a bunch of people coming in and being kicked out and not many refunding members over and over. If I was in his club after all this and even before, Wed better be shooting 170 class deer. That's the way he broadcasts it on everything. Why would someone want a head person like a dictator? Then thinks us better then everyone BC he knows it all according to him. He's been there and dealt with it and did it before and better then anyone else. When your like this to your paying members your going g to have problems. It also seems to me he gets trouble people to kick them out and make extra money then bring someone else in. To many rules and to strict for people to follow at all times. Again people make mistakes just human. If your going to fine people that's fine, put it back into the club if all members are pulling together to get business done. If he was the only one doing it then yes the money should go to him but not when others are doing the same if not more then him

levi127 wrote:I agree and see what you are saying. Only thing that sticks out to me on this. Why is he any better then any of his members? They are putting in time just as much as him. Yes he holds the lease to property. Does food plots on his own but ray Stevens can do that once you figure out how to. It seems like everyone else is putting in grunt work and he is being paid for it. Then the statement on fines was a joke. If I would have Seen that there'd be no way I'd ever join.
Yes rules are rules and you will have people test and push the limits. That is everywhere you go in any club with a bunch of people coming in and being kicked out and not many refunding members over and over. If I was in his club after all this and even before, Wed better be shooting 170 class deer. That's the way he broadcasts it on everything. Why would someone want a head person like a dictator? Then thinks us better then everyone BC he knows it all according to him. He's been there and dealt with it and did it before and better then anyone else. When your like this to your paying members your going g to have problems. It also seems to me he gets trouble people to kick them out and make extra money then bring someone else in. To many rules and to strict for people to follow at all times. Again people make mistakes just human. If your going to fine people that's fine, put it back into the club if all members are pulling together to get business done. If he was the only one doing it then yes the money should go to him but not when others are doing the same if not more then him

camlock wrote:I will say one thing...that I guess is classified in defense of Hammer...though I am just saying, not trying to defend...

I own/operate a non-profit organization and I keep fine money myself...it's alot of work and alot of stress, as a leader in a camp or club/organization I think you've earned to right to benefit from overbudgeting and fines, etc. I am positive the president of our club gets these type perks and I am perfectly fine with that, b/c it's his work that allows us to have a camp, he shouldn't be as liable for the same expense when he's giving more to the cause for the overall group. While I realize that there are likely more extinuating circumstances with this whole BRHC soap opera, the general idea of those that put in more get back more is not so alien...in reading through most of 45 pages it seems alot of people stretching themselves to be able to be able to pile on...nobody is gonna fight and nobody is gonna win a lawsuit if they are dumb enough to actually go there...drop it! If you don't like that mans rules, hunt elsewhere...

I'm not real big on the rules of the catholic church but I don't spend all day going on and on about it...I just practice a different religious affiliation.

Levi127
He does all of the planting, bush hogging, and lots of other stuff that the members don't have to fool with. I'm a big fan of capitalism. If someone or something brings you a good or a service that you value, you can pay a determined amount of money based on that value. It's as simple as that. Lot's of folks on this forum don't think the good / service that is offered in this club is worth the price. That's ok. I don't have a problem paying to hunt in this club. I don't have a problem with the rules. I hunted there last year (my first year there), and I feel that I got my money's worth, therefore I am paying again to hunt there. I also think all members were treated fairly. My opinion. period.
I don't care if TLR puts the money in his pocket, gives it to charity, or pays for prostitutes. When I give him $x to belong to his club, it is his money at that point. If I don't feel that I got the value for $x dollars that I paid to hunt, then I don't join again. There are clubs that charge $x to hunt deer. there are clubs that charge $x to hunt quality deer. Some clubs charge guest fees, some don't. One has to put all these things together (along with experience, and experience of others) to quantify if the perceived value is worth $x, and if that particular club's rules fit what that individual wants to attain from their investment. That's the beauty of capitalism. For better or worse, word of mouth has a big play in a capitalist market. It's caveat emptor (buyer beware). This allows people to advertise for or against said good or service based on their experience to influence future customers to buy or not to buy. The person offering said good or services also has the ability to defend his good or services. Therefore here we are, 45 pages later!

personal issues should not come into play on a public forum...it's ugly (whoever it's from, TLR included). That should be dealt with one-off. If someone is defaming someone's character on a public forum to inhibit them from selling their goods or services, that could be perceived as slander. It's also without class...

The weather was VERY nice this AM!

camlock wrote:In a democracy, you are right. But tell me this, when somebody falls from a treestand and gets hurt and then decides to sue, how many guys that planted foodplots and trimmed roads, cut grass, etc. are gonna stand up to be liable...NONE. They are gonna say, well the leader is "so and so" and it's his lease and I'm just a member. Hunting, and other adult organizations, aren't he-man woman hater clubs, they require work and leadership...like it or not, being a leader is a job and it comes with perks. Why do you thnk a supervisor, foreman, etc gets more pay or bigger bonus...i mean his employees do the "work", shouldn't they be getting equal? What's happening is that the general principles or our society aren't begin applied b/c this is just "hunting"...well that's just not how it works anymore...you wanna be a saint, go find lease land and handle all that goes with making it a hunting club, then when you get a handful of memebers and they come to a work day and help clean and cut, see if you feel they are equally responsible for the clubs wellbeing and then see if they are willing to be equally liable and responsible for everything else and the maintenance of the lease and legalities for the future...

Once again, I am not defending Hammer, I think his rules are pretty out there...but if he's done the work to establish BRHC, then it's his perogative how he writes the rules.

levi127 wrote:I agree and see what you are saying. Only thing that sticks out to me on this. Why is he any better then any of his members? They are putting in time just as much as him. Yes he holds the lease to property. Does food plots on his own but ray Stevens can do that once you figure out how to. It seems like everyone else is putting in grunt work and he is being paid for it. Then the statement on fines was a joke. If I would have Seen that there'd be no way I'd ever join.
Yes rules are rules and you will have people test and push the limits. That is everywhere you go in any club with a bunch of people coming in and being kicked out and not many refunding members over and over. If I was in his club after all this and even before, Wed better be shooting 170 class deer. That's the way he broadcasts it on everything. Why would someone want a head person like a dictator? Then thinks us better then everyone BC he knows it all according to him. He's been there and dealt with it and did it before and better then anyone else. When your like this to your paying members your going g to have problems. It also seems to me he gets trouble people to kick them out and make extra money then bring someone else in. To many rules and to strict for people to follow at all times. Again people make mistakes just human. If your going to fine people that's fine, put it back into the club if all members are pulling together to get business done. If he was the only one doing it then yes the money should go to him but not when others are doing the same if not more then him

SOLID post Camlock.

levi127 wrote:What he say bout being drug in to this?

He said he wished he had a "sign on" to read 45 pages

my last comment is this...when a leader, president, whatever of a hunting club tells you that for xxx.xx amount of dollars you can be a member of this hunting club which entitles you to these ammenities and expects you to abide by these rules...they are not buying you into a partnership or making you a owner in a buisness group, the finances of the whole shibang are handled by them, you are joining so you can just hunt...they are offereing you this for that cost...they are then only responsible to you for what they offered in exchange for your money. You aren't entitled to anything more than unreserved rights to hunt that property and whatever other entitlements are agreed in the membership.

If you think that is crooked or wrong, then hunt public land...

camlock wrote:my last comment is this...when a leader, president, whatever of a hunting club tells you that for xxx.xx amount of dollars you can be a member of this hunting club which entitles you to these ammenities and expects you to abide by these rules...they are not buying you into a partnership or making you a owner in a buisness group, the finances of the whole shibang are handled by them, you are joining so you can just hunt...they are offereing you this for that cost...they are then only responsible to you for what they offered in exchange for your money. You aren't entitled to anything more than unreserved rights to hunt that property and whatever other entitlements are agreed in the membership.

If you think that is crooked or wrong, then hunt public land...

Another solid post

camlock wrote:In a democracy, you are right. But tell me this, when somebody falls from a treestand and gets hurt and then decides to sue, how many guys that planted foodplots and trimmed roads, cut grass, etc. are gonna stand up to be liable...NONE. They are gonna say, well the leader is "so and so" and it's his lease and I'm just a member. Hunting, and other adult organizations, aren't he-man woman hater clubs, they require work and leadership...like it or not, being a leader is a job and it comes with perks. Why do you thnk a supervisor, foreman, etc gets more pay or bigger bonus...i mean his employees do the "work", shouldn't they be getting equal? What's happening is that the general principles or our society aren't begin applied b/c this is just "hunting"...well that's just not how it works anymore...you wanna be a saint, go find lease land and handle all that goes with making it a hunting club, then when you get a handful of memebers and they come to a work day and help clean and cut, see if you feel they are equally responsible for the clubs wellbeing and then see if they are willing to be equally liable and responsible for everything else and the maintenance of the lease and legalities for the future...

Once again, I am not defending Hammer, I think his rules are pretty out there...but if he's done the work to establish BRHC, then it's his perogative how he writes the rules.

levi127 wrote:I agree and see what you are saying. Only thing that sticks out to me on this. Why is he any better then any of his members? They are putting in time just as much as him. Yes he holds the lease to property. Does food plots on his own but ray Stevens can do that once you figure out how to. It seems like everyone else is putting in grunt work and he is being paid for it. Then the statement on fines was a joke. If I would have Seen that there'd be no way I'd ever join.
Yes rules are rules and you will have people test and push the limits. That is everywhere you go in any club with a bunch of people coming in and being kicked out and not many refunding members over and over. If I was in his club after all this and even before, Wed better be shooting 170 class deer. That's the way he broadcasts it on everything. Why would someone want a head person like a dictator? Then thinks us better then everyone BC he knows it all according to him. He's been there and dealt with it and did it before and better then anyone else. When your like this to your paying members your going g to have problems. It also seems to me he gets trouble people to kick them out and make extra money then bring someone else in. To many rules and to strict for people to follow at all times. Again people make mistakes just human. If your going to fine people that's fine, put it back into the club if all members are pulling together to get business done. If he was the only one doing it then yes the money should go to him but not when others are doing the same if not more then him

Thats why you have liability insurance and I'm assuming he does.

If its a NPO he has to have insurance by law