Postby goosebruce » Tue Dec 17, 2002 6:07 pm
Apprently math has changed since ya went to school old man. if you figger 3% of 100 million duck index, you're talking 3 million birds. Sorry I used numbers that where hard to crunch like that (after all, 10 toes and fingers, yur through right?).
True, some years the index is much lower. If we have fewer ducks, then we need to be MUCH more concearned how many we posion, the percentage stays the same, but the number is lower, but more important.
So vandel your cool with 3%?
So hunters average 9 to 12%, and lead killed 3%.. and your cool with that? You mean to tell me for every 3 to 4 birds you killed while hunting, you killed another by your type of shot, and your cool with that? (psst, get someone to hep you wif yur fractions before you count wrong again).
Steel cripples more ducks than lead posioned? Do you lose 1 out of 4 ducks to steel induced cripples? Anyone here, over a year, lose 1 out of 4 ducks? Anyone. Come on van (I can call you van now right, I mean we know each other well nuff and all right old man?). These are your "@#$%#" numbers dude. You tell me its ok to kill 25% of your harvest to save a few bucks on shells, wasted to die a slow lingering death, and we'll all know excatly where the hell your coming from.
Smoking crack? Are you kidding? Do you know how toxic that stuff is? Just "@#$%#" with you old dirty "illegitimate child".
I don't buy yur the kinda dude that is cool with killing 5 ducks for every 4 he shoots. I do think you never thought bout it like that.
of course, we have no ideal the overall impact of lead posioning from weakend birds, reporduction problems, etc... Those have to be added to the mix as well, but I'll let you off the hook on the added $#!+ you killed... just answer if your cool with 5 for 4.
But your still hopelessly lost in the entire ideal... Nobody EVER said ducks decline was over lead posioning. Nobody. Not me. No the usfws. Not peta. Not federal ammo company. $#!+ man, 4 inches of rain in the daoktas will make a 3% difference in the duck population. No one ever said long term declines where from lead shot, and that the increases of the 90s where from steel. Duck populations could have gone with using posioning millions of birds... But any %, like stano said, is too much.
This is the second night in a row, I've have to point out your arguing something you don't even understand. Nobody cared or said people died from eating lead poisioned ducks (unless you eat ducks you just happen to find dead... Come to think of it, do you?) and nobody said duck populations went down long term from it and up from it being gone. Damit it man, pay attention.
You are 100% right on the predator deal. First thing you've said remotely correct. Since I wouldn't be much hep if i did make it to ppr to trap predators, and since I aint got the time to do it if I where so incliended, I pay someone to do my dirty work. And thats delta waterfowl. I give 250 a year, and its ear marked for predator control. usually my bunch I hunt with adopts a pothole as well, but with out controlling the artifically high numbers of predators, duck habitat makes no ducks. Yours and mine federal government has pissed off millions trying to grow ducks, to only feed skunks and foxes. DU no telling how much they have blown. Predator control isn't permanet, but it is nessessary. Its a man made problem, and requires a man made solution, much as the snow goose problem does.
5 to 7 degrees global average temp warmer... Welp, you wouldn't have to worry bout having water for duck season anymore... Cause the ms delta would be seaside property. You have a $#!+ load of ice melt, and sea level rise several feet (probably a conspricey by the map companines to make everyone buy new maps... the bastards!). 5 to 7 degrees would "@#$%#" up life as you know it.
H20 dog, whut kind of church you go to where folks lick the stained glass windows? hehe. I imagine I can get you some stats of some dead, deformed, and retarded people, simply from the pipes in their houses or the paint on their walls. Would that make you feel better? Guess that whole abestous scare was a conspricy too eh? Folks built a lot of stuff with things they didnt know kill people.
Riverhunter... your right, its not gonna change what we shoot. But it might change the way some people think. You read 5 pages right? I've shot lead. Given the chance to make the law change tommorrow, I wouldnt take it back. The word cripple wasn't invented in 1988.
What has all this accomplished someone asked... Well, Ive had fun. travis
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