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I just wonder how bad it will have to get in the US before some of us (myself included) will decided to stand up and back down some of these minority groups that are running the country.......including the gubment!!

Did you just call masturbation adultery? If you did, then you just disqualified yourself from having a biblical coversation. Maybe you meant fornication.

28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
The physical act is fornication and the cognitive act is adultery.

It really surprises me how many people on this board seem to be supporting the BSA choice...Really surprised...

My thoughts and wants are meaningless. I died almost 15 years ago so Jesus could live, through me. His wants are more important than mine.

mossyisland wrote:

Did you just call masturbation adultery? If you did, then you just disqualified yourself from having a biblical coversation. Maybe you meant fornication.

28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
The physical act is fornication and the cognitive act is adultery.

It really surprises me how many people on this board seem to be supporting the BSA choice...Really surprised...

My thoughts and wants are meaningless. I died almost 15 years ago so Jesus could live, through me. His wants are more important than mine.

You're right!! Jesus would totally support this!!!! His message and the theme of the bible is repentance. Let me know when you see some from the Gay community!! I don't want to miss it!

We can all cherry pick verses all day long but reality is reality.

There will be a policy established to integrate gay boys. It will be very methodical and it will be geared to snare good people just like those on this board who want to use this as an opportunity to minister to a troubled young man. It's already been reported that an 800 number to report problems and policy violations will be part of the plan. Leaders will get training on what they can and can't do and will have to sign off on it. So as much as I wish lemonade could be made from lemons here it's just not going to happen. The gay groups changed the Boy Scouts from the top down. A leaders who is out of line with the new Boy Scouts is going to be removed faster than lightning and will be an example out of. It's just the next logical step. These groups wll get as many policy violations documented as they can and go back to the boad saying gay leadership is required because the policy as set by the board is being willfully and flagrantly ignored. Then the federal lawsuits will start saying the civil rights of a gay boy has been violated because a leader didn't do what he was told. This will be a totally different legal argument from whether gays can be allowed in or not.

I heard a pastor say something in a sermon once and it really stuck with me. As believers we do not have to be of the world, but, we do have to live in it knowing how it operates in order to accomplish the great commission. That includes knowing when it is best to leave something or stay. I think this is a time where a bigger statement is made leaving than staying.

mossyisland wrote:

Did you just call masturbation adultery? If you did, then you just disqualified yourself from having a biblical coversation. Maybe you meant fornication.

28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
The physical act is fornication and the cognitive act is adultery.

It really surprises me how many people on this board seem to be supporting the BSA choice...Really surprised...

My thoughts and wants are meaningless. I died almost 15 years ago so Jesus could live, through me. His wants are more important than mine.

In that case every male on the planet has commited adultery including all your pastors and decons and preiests and clergymen.

And since you think that it's ok for the boy scouts to allow this unmoral activity into their rules, then maybe you should sign up and inpart some of your wisdom on them as you think Jesus would and see how that works out for ya.

Not being a smart booty here, but seems like we are just going to agree to disagree on this one.

Chuckle12 wrote:I don't mind gay people. I know several, some I went to school with for years and still consider friends, even after they came "out of the closet". And I don't agree with there being an increase in abuse just because they let gay kids in. Just because you're homosexual doesn't make you a pedophile, no more than being heterosexual makes you a pedophile. HOWEVER... just as Buckwabbit said, the reason they allowed gay boys in irks me more than the fact they let them in. For the record, I wasn't a cub/boy scout and never had any interest in it, but I think it's a good organization that folded to sponsor pressure instead of sticking to their guns. That's the point here. Not that the are letting gay kids in.

i'm with chuckle on this one. from an outsider looking in, it seems like BSA compromised values it has stood on for decades to seemingly protect its financial interests. i suspect that the BSA will lose many more members than it picks up now that they will allow gays to participate. the beuty of this particular situation is that i dont have to pick a side. in the grand scheme of things, whatever BSA does and why they do it really doesn't have a direct impact on me or my family because my kid isn't involved with scouts.

at the same time i can have an opinion based on my own thoughts, beliefs, and experiences. just because someone questions the reason so many people are having a problem with gays in scouting doesn't mean that person supports the decision or make them "gutless". same goes for having a mind open enough to atleast consider other folks' perspective and respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if i don't necessarily agree with it.

if you don't want your kids around gay kids, that's fine. if its okay with you that the leaders of your youth development organization think its a good idea to include the gay kids, thats your perogative. i personally find it interesting to hear why folks are jumping ship. for some folks its sounds like it's because they feel like the BSA is compromising its morals, for others it seems like they are afraid that the little 12 yr old gay kid is going to ravage their defenseless son in a tent at a campout when no one is looking. then, there are some that think gay kids are damned to hell and they don't want to be around them in case the kid's gayness wears off.

in light of the predominantly boring discussions on the board lately, i find open and civil discussion of these hotly contested issues entertaining. it also amuses me how quickly a civil discussion about an issue can turn to personal attacks on those that may have differing opinions.

Chuckle12 wrote: it's a good organization that folded to sponsor pressure instead of sticking to their guns. That's the point here. Not that the are letting gay kids in.

precisely

fireplug wrote:In that case every male on the planet has commited adultery including all your pastors and decons and preiests and clergymen.

As a matter of fact, that's exactly what Jesus was saying.

gps4 wrote: it also amuses me how quickly a civil discussion about an issue can turn to personal attacks on those that may have differing opinions.

Ain't that the truth. Speaking of socialism...

Wingman wrote:By the way, church folks, I'm talking with Central Hills in Kosciusko about starting up some type of summer camp for boys with an emphasis on the outdoors. They used to have a program like this. Ideas are welcomed!

I am in. I love that place and take the youth regularly.

They can start The Gay Scouts!

The dominoes will fall. Allowing gay boys in was never good enough. Watch and see how this plays out.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... p=features

Look up Trail Life USA- interesting looking alternative. Also, I found the Boys Brigade (mostly in the UK) that both seem to be Christian based- looks like churches/Christian schools should get behind these and parents should start assisting. I'm not a parent, but I would help an organization like this!

Trail Life is what most that got out are moving to.

I have been involved in fund raising for the Boy Scouts for many years, and still am. As a matter of fact, I will be attending a Boy Scout fundraising dinner in Tupelo tomorrow night, and attended a committee meeting today for an annual clay target shoot that raises money for the scouts. ( I note that the keynote speaker for the Tupelo event is the MSU President, Mark Keenum). Thus, after years of supporting this great organization, I feel personally vested in its future.

While I was disappointed in the decision of the organization to allow openly gay scouts to participate, I decided not to let that be a reason to pull my support for an otherwise great organization that has had such a positive influence on young boys and young men, helping them to become better citizens.

I understand the anger of some, and respect your decision to part ways with the Boy Scouts if that is your decision. However, I looked at this situation in a practical manner and decided that, for me, such drastic action was not warranted. I just don't think there are enough, if any, "openly gay" boys to make a significant difference in scouting, especially in the South -- and particularly in MS. Although a few friends and acquaintances of mine from high school later in life publicly came out as "openly gay", I didn't know a single one that did the entire time I was in elementary, junior high, and high school. Not one. And I seriously doubt that any of you did either. And I doubt that much has changed in that regard. Young boys just don't identify as such early in life, nor even as teens. So, if there are no openly gay boys in your local Boy Scout council, troop, etc, then why let the mere possibility of something so remote destroy your participation and support for an organization that has done such good and still can?

But despite the remoteness of the situation, lets just say an 11 year old boy announced that he was "gay". And let's assume further that this "gay" kid uncharacteristically liked sports and outdoors activities. We are talking about a rare kid --- one in a million. If this kid signed up to play little league baseball and was assigned to your son's team, would you not let your son play little league baseball? No, you would likely let him play. So, why would you hold your son out of scouting due to the mere presence of such a confused kid? ( BTW, NONE of the few friends and acquaintances of mine that later in life as adults came out as gay, ever played any sport or were involved in scouting).

I also looked at this situation as a Christian. I reasoned that openly gay adults were welcomed at my church. While my church does not condone the gay lifestyle, it does not turn such persons away from hearing God's word. And I don't think that a confused young boy, who thought he might be gay and openly announced such, would be turned away from any church function or activity, including Sunday school, etc.

Thus, for these reasons, I decided to stay the course. I am not going to let such a tiny segment of the population steal a great organization away from our society over this issue. I hope some of you will reconsider your positions.