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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:49 am
by Warren
hell that is the best thing that has come from this long ass thread
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:34 am
by Hammer
AS GIVEN BELOW, MONEY MANAGERS CONTROLLING $4.9 TRILLION (that is $4,900,000,000,000) HAVE PUBLISHED GUIDELINES FOR THE UTILITIES THEY INVEST IN...WHO SHOULD WE TRUST- PML, MS, etc- OR THE GUYS THAT CONTROL $4.9 TRILLION?
WHO SHOULD WE TRUST- A BILLIONAIRE THAT OWNS AN AIRLINE THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL COST BILLIONS- OR PML, MS, etc? SIR RICHARD BRANSON OWNS VIRGIN AIRLINES AND HE IS THE FOREFRONT TO FIGHT GLOBAL WARMING BY REDUCING THE CARBON EMISSIONS OF HIS AIRLINE...IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR HIM TO COST HIMSELF BILLIONS IF GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX...
TWO MORE EXAMPLES ILLUSTRATING THAT PML, MS, ETC ARE FULL OF SCHIT.
New guidelines for electricity utilities reporting on climate
London, 13 September: Institutional investors this week published guidelines to help electricity utilities report their climate change risks and opportunities.
The Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change (IIGCC), a collaboration between pension funds and asset managers representing assets of more than €3.5 trillion ($4.9 trillion), said the guidelines will make it easier for investors to compare individual companies on their climate risks and policies.
The group worked with sell-side analysts at Paris-based CA Cheuvreux and a number of European utilities to develop the Disclosure Framework for Electricity Utilities.
Six major European utilities, including EDF, EDP, Fortum RWE, Union Fenosa and Scottish and Southern Energy presented their responses to the framework at the launch in London on Wednesday.
IIGCC is now working with US-based Ceres and its Investor Network on Climate Risk to improve climate risk disclosure by electricity utilities globally.
Ceres president Mindy Lubber said: “As climate-related risks and opportunities become increasingly recognised as relevant to electric power companies and their investors, it is imperative that disclosure standards continue to improve so that financial markets can respond effectively.â€
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:38 am
by tunica
Warren wrote:hell that is the best thing that has come from this long !@# thread
except when benny pops in
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:22 am
by cwink
Hammer wrote:
WHO SHOULD WE TRUST- A BILLIONAIRE THAT OWNS AN AIRLINE THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL COST BILLIONS- OR PML, MS, etc? SIR RICHARD BRANSON OWNS VIRGIN AIRLINES AND HE IS THE FOREFRONT TO FIGHT GLOBAL WARMING BY REDUCING THE CARBON EMISSIONS OF HIS AIRLINE...IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR HIM TO COST HIMSELF BILLIONS IF GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX...
It is a marketing ploy.. "Fly with Virgin Airlines because I am greener than any other one"
Just like the Carbon Credits. It is a ploy to get you to spend your dollars..
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:03 am
by Double R 2
Lot of serious money being thrown around for carbon credit easements in Mississippi right now. say what you want, but someone offers me $10/acre - at current carbon price - to maintain pine stocking density of 250 stems an acre, I'm taking it to the bank!
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:36 am
by mudsucker
I am NOT asking anyone to TRUST me. YOU ask people to jump on your bandwagon as if you were the fricking "pied piper" his owndamnself! Will you please provide the answers to your own silly questions that you asked a few days ago? Are you man enough?
PML,
Can we sue this sucker for defamation of character! Or as an old "democrat" I worked with used to call it,"Definition of character."!!!!!!!

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:35 pm
by Po Monkey Lounger
"WHO SHOULD WE TRUST- A BILLIONAIRE THAT OWNS AN AIRLINE THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL COST BILLIONS- OR PML"
Well, my "carbon footprint" is a whole lot less than that of Mr. Billionare, owner of the polluting airline that caters to a whole lot of unnecessary travelers and excessive polllution.
PML has a new highly energy efficient home being built, travels in autos/trucks that get good gas mileage, contributes time and money to conserve wildlife and habitat, and doesn't toot his own horn about it every day like such is some kind of novel approach to life ---unlike some of the liberal wealthy and Hollywood crowd who just seem absolutely amazed that a light switch can be flipped to turn off an unnecessary light, that perhaps all the absurd amenities of life that they have demanded in the past might contribute to pollution problems, or that travel can occur in something less than jets and limos.

Many of us have been "green" before "green" was cool and turned in to a religion of whackos.
IF everyone flew as often as I did, the airlines would go under and the US would be lot cleaner, this "turd-cutter" Billionaire would be broke, and there would be more petroleum available for our cars and cheaper gas prices for the common man.
And I don't need a doomsday hoax perpetrated by idiots to prompt me to do the right things. My own pocketbook, love of wildlife, desire to be a good steward of the land, and concern about our national security are more than enough. To each his own.
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:10 pm
by cwink
Po Monkey Lounger wrote:"WHO SHOULD WE TRUST- A BILLIONAIRE THAT OWNS AN AIRLINE THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL COST BILLIONS- OR PML"
Well, my "carbon footprint" is a whole lot less than that of Mr. Billionare, owner of the polluting airline that caters to a whole lot of unnecessary travelers and excessive polllution.
PML has a new highly energy efficient home being built, travels in autos/trucks that get good gas mileage, contributes time and money to conserve wildlife and habitat, and doesn't toot his own horn about it every day like such is some kind of novel approach to life ---unlike some of the liberal wealthy and Hollywood crowd who just seem absolutely amazed that a light switch can be flipped to turn off an unnecessary light, that perhaps all the absurd amenities of life that they have demanded in the past might contribute to pollution problems, or that travel can occur in something less than jets and limos.

Many of us have been "green" before "green" was cool and turned in to a religion of whackos.
IF everyone flew as often as I did, the airlines would go under and the US would be lot cleaner, this "turd-cutter" Billionaire would be broke, and there would be more petroleum available for our cars and cheaper gas prices for the common man.
And I don't need a doomsday hoax perpetrated by idiots to prompt me to do the right things. My own pocketbook, love of wildlife, desire to be a good steward of the land, and concern about our national security are more than enough. To each his own.
Amen...
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:21 pm
by Double R 2
"WHO SHOULD WE TRUST- A BILLIONAIRE THAT OWNS AN AIRLINE THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL COST BILLIONS- OR PML"
Question: Does the billionaire have a cool primate moniker?
Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:27 pm
by Po Monkey Lounger
Exactly DoubleR ---good question.

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:27 am
by Hammer
Somebody has to lead the troops up the hill and I dont care if its Branson, Al Gore, Madonna or Roger Fricking Rabbitt...What counts is that folks begin to live more sustainably, not why they do it or who introduces them tot he concept and reinfoces the concept to them....
Note that PML has changed his tune since this thread started...He has gone from denying that Earth temperatures are rising and denying that human GHG emissions are the culprit for that warming to attacking the messengers, not the message, so let me again note the obvious: SCOREBOARD!
Whether you accept GW or not and whether you accept that human GHG emssions are the cause, you will soon be paying higher prices for fuel, electriicty and just about every product and service that has fuel and electricity as inputs....In other words, just about every consumption expenditure you make...The days of carbon emssions receiving a "free ride" are just about over....
Markets work but only when they are fairly valued and costs reflect ALL factors of production...One of the reasons the US does not have a "free market" economy is because political power has been used to distort markets, particularly with regards to externalities like pollution...With regards to carbon pollution, that will soon change. Ignore this information at your own financial risk.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:34 pm
by pntailhntr
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:41 pm
by Hammer
It's really very simple: DONT READ THE THREAD IF YOU DONT WANT TO READ THE THREAD...
You are free to choose- read it if you want to read it- dont read it if you dont want to read it.
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:41 pm
by mudsucker
But
YOU Didn't answer the questions!

"Are we not men?"
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:06 pm
by JDgator
I havent been following this thread much lately, but I would like to add that I think the most immediate threat to our wildlife resources is urban sprawl and habitat loss.
I wonder if any other people are thinking along these lines as well...