Memphis high school coach fired locker room rant

[GrizwalD]

I don't condone or condemn the guy for doing what he did but when is it too much? My son (10 years old well away from high school) plays select baseball. Last year at the State Fall Championship his PAID - PROFESSIONAL coach got on him for an error he made playing at first base. I was fine with that, my son knew better, just didn't react fast enough and a ball got past him. Coach went ballistic, dressed him down pretty good at the game in front of his team. I went to talk to the guy. I was not upset wasn't really going to say much if anything other than maybe sorry that happened, I knew he'd made an error too and so did my son, no big deal. He knew my son knew better than to make an error like he did, just a mistake and my boy doesn't make too many playing baseball. Once I spoke to the coach, I realized he'd come to the game drunk, after a minute or two the umpires figured it out too and threw him out of the game (actually out of the entire park). So when is enough, enough?

Two totally different scenarios because at 10 year old baseball game is all just for fun..... no need to be ranting and raving at a 10 year old for an error.... i agree with you totally uncalled for and even worse to show up drunk..... but once your on a highschool varsity team its a little more serious ( not college serious, but more serious none the less) not to mention by 16 or 17 years old you have prolly had your booty chewed numerous times as well as heard those words numerous times and prolly used those words more than you've heard them spoken by others, just a fact of being a teenager, so why bust this guys balls for gettin fed up with the BS

[deltadukman]

The kid that posted the sound clip was, is, and will always be a coward tattletale. No one will want to hang out with him again.....ever. He marked himself.

[GrizwalD]

The kid that posted the sound clip was, is, and will always be a coward tattletale. No one will want to hang out with him again.....ever. He marked himself.

you saying he may hold one in his mouth until the swelling goes down???

[woody]

Just some food for thought for both parties...

Why are certain four-letter words not appropriate to use?

IMO, these are just words. They do not inflict any physical harm, coerce its receivers into some offensive behavior, or require adherence to their use. Whether these words are offensive to one and not the other shouldn't matter. If you don't like them, don't uses them or avoid being around someone that uses them. It's a personal choice whether or not people use this word over that word or whether one person motivates people this way or that way. If the user of such words that some have labeled as "offensive" or "profane" feels inclined to use them, then why (or how) does that affect your judgment, life, view of the world?

So the argument goes, "We don't want our impressionable children to be around this type of nonsense." Simple, don't let them. "Well," you say, "our children (or you) should be free to choose what extracirricular activities they participate in without having to worry about incidents like the one involving the coach in TN." Sure, that seems just and righteous. But, what message does that send? "Because that man used those words he is evil and should not keep his job," or "those words made me feel bad, so he should be punished because I've been taught that those words are not nice," or "because he is a coach/teacher he is cool and he uses those words so I will use them too, or "because he was mad he used those words so its ok for me to use those words when I get mad." The point I'm trying to make is not that coahces or teaches should use those words. Rather, I'm simply trying to say that your beliefs are your beliefs, not mine or the next guys; just as my beliefs are my beliefs, and may not be yours. You were given the ability to choose for yourself. So do so and live by it. If your beliefs tell you to not like what the guy next to you is doing, you have the ability to choose to move away from it. If your beliefs tell you to act this way instead of that, then you have the ability to choose to act this way or thay way. But, when you start peddling your belief that using a particular four letter word is bad to another, you are infringing upon that person's right to be free from making his or her own choice, which is the crux of your argument. Same goes for the the person that thinks there's nothing wrong with it.

So, what to do about it to about it? That's up to you. That's your choice. You can choose to educate your children, based on your beliefs, that there are some four letter words that should not be used or tolerated, or not. But one thing is certain, when you attempt to push your belief about something being right or wrong onto someone else, you are essentially seeking to do that which you are asking them not to do to you.

[levi127]

Just some food for thought for both parties...

Why are certain four-letter words not appropriate to use?

IMO, these are just words. They do not inflict any physical harm, coerce its receivers into some offensive behavior, or require adherence to their use. Whether these words are offensive to one and not the other shouldn't matter. If you don't like them, don't uses them or avoid being around someone that uses them. It's a personal choice whether or not people use this word over that word or whether one person motivates people this way or that way. If the user of such words that some have labeled as "offensive" or "profane" feels inclined to use them, then why (or how) does that affect your judgment, life, view of the world?

So the argument goes, "We don't want our impressionable children to be around this type of nonsense." Simple, don't let them. "Well," you say, "our children (or you) should be free to choose what extracirricular activities they participate in without having to worry about incidents like the one involving the coach in TN." Sure, that seems just and righteous. But, what message does that send? "Because that man used those words he is evil and should not keep his job," or "those words made me feel bad, so he should be punished because I've been taught that those words are not nice," or "because he is a coach/teacher he is cool and he uses those words so I will use them too, or "because he was mad he used those words so its ok for me to use those words when I get mad." The point I'm trying to make is not that coahces or teaches should use those words. Rather, I'm simply trying to say that your beliefs are your beliefs, not mine or the next guys; just as my beliefs are my beliefs, and may not be yours. You were given the ability to choose for yourself. So do so and live by it. If your beliefs tell you to not like what the guy next to you is doing, you have the ability to choose to move away from it. If your beliefs tell you to act this way instead of that, then you have the ability to choose to act this way or thay way. But, when you start peddling your belief that using a particular four letter word is bad to another, you are infringing upon that person's right to be free from making his or her own choice, which is the crux of your argument. Same goes for the the person that thinks there's nothing wrong with it.

So, what to do about it to about it? That's up to you. That's your choice. You can choose to educate your children, based on your beliefs, that there are some four letter words that should not be used or tolerated, or not. But one thing is certain, when you attempt to push your belief about something being right or wrong onto someone else, you are essentially seeking to do that which you are asking them not to do to you.

[Beaudog1]

$#!+ "@#$%#" peepee "@#$%#" $#!+ ass "@#$%#" $#!+.

[MSDawg870]

There's a Facebook page in support of Coach Abel. It has about 3000 members right now. Someone mentioned making t shirts, however he requested that none be made because of it being a distraction to the team.

I still would like to make one that reads...."GO FOCKIN PLAY GOLF"- Coach Abel

[skywalker]

Here goes the 'push your beliefs on others'................talk about a lame argument. You are right about one thing, let someone talk to my son/daughter/wife that way and you better believe I will 'push' my belief on what I feel is appropriate language. Bet that.

Stand for something or fall for anything comes to mind with this argument.

[JaMak84]

Woody, could you please clarify when you and Chavez get back from the spirit world?

[levi127]

Here goes the 'push your beliefs on others'................talk about a lame argument. You are right about one thing, let someone talk to my son/daughter/wife that way and you better believe I will 'push' my belief on what I feel is appropriate language. Bet that.

Stand for something or fall for anything comes to mind with this argument.

I understand and see what you are getting at. But then again, think about the sport you are getting involved in and the emotions that get wrapped up in it all. If you have never actually been in that spot then you would never know. If you cant take something like that then I suggest you move onto something else to do.
Alot of you say oh well this person was a great person and never said this or did that and was great. Possibly could be true. But you werent in the locker room or outside in the hallway im sure.

[Wingman]

I didn't play sports growing up (with the exception of little league). Instead I spent my free time hunting. I was usually sacking groceries on game night. I was working on fish ponds or at the grocery store while the cool kids were at practice. Would rather have an ingrown toenail pulled than sit through a game now that I'm grown. I now know from reading this thread that, 1. I was a failure as a kid, 2. I'm not a normal adult 3. Sports is the most important thing in the world and 4. Truth is relative.

Sarcasm aside, I don't think the coach should've resigned. Chew those kids butts when they need chewing but save the profanity for somewhere else. Goodness knows kids these days need somebody to straighten them out. Seems like most parents could care less.

[quakwacker]

When I was coming through high school it was common practice to take a major tail chewing on the sideline or in the locker room, but that was 15 years ago. Now days you CAN NOT talk to kids that way. It doesn't matter what sport it is. I coached at the high school level for 8 years and I chewed my share of tail and yes I did occasionally use some bad language but I never made a habit of using profanity and I never dropped the F bomb. I don't think that the coach should have resigned but I do think that he needs to clean up his language a little bit.

[farmerc83]

Well I guess by most of the logic on this thread that an overwhelming majority of our 'founding fathers' and 'generals' were not much of men.......Go back and read their letters, their diaries, biographies and auto-biographies.......not much foul language at all. Amazing how they motivated men to risk their lives and follow them in a cause. Some may have had a foul mouth and a drinking problem, but they were the exception not the rule, quite different than today.

Going to have to point out that times have changed.....Generals Patton and McArthur were well known for being very crude and very motivational, all before cussing was prevalent in every form of mainstream media. Pres Bush and VP Biden were both caught swearing by "off-air" cameras.....remember "this is big f#cking deal"?

Sure the coach shouldn't have F-bombed the kids, but we are hardly living in a King's English society. Good post Sherwood. I've never understood why these words are any more offensive than any others, either. Seems like a hot topic, tho, as I remember we had another long discussion about the language on the board a year or so ago.

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[digger]

I'm gonna say this was a little snot nose punk that was not getting the playing time he thought he deserved and took his chance at getting back at the coach.Kid's hear languge that bad everyday from other kid's.

[bhuggins]

From what I read, the kid invited someone from another team into the locker room and apparently used the wrong color of tape to tape him up. That's where the trespassing thing came from.

That said, it's sad we live in a world that is tolerant of everything from homosexuality to abortion but a coach loses his job for language that can be found on cable television any night of the week. Not condoning the language, but it's still not worthy of losing his job. Especially in a locker room situation.