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The real sad part of this Rob is that I respect the fact that you don't drink.

But thumping the bible, talking down to, and looking down your nose at those of us that do is worst of a witness than a man with a beer in his hand. (That is fact)
It is a sad day when people stand on that soap box and proclaim how all of his friends are stupid and act like high school kids when the one talking knows soooo very little about the people he is degrading.
Who do you think you are?

You might want to take a walk into that bedroom and look in the mirror awhile before you start throwing stones. This entire post is total crap.

You know, I'm gonna answer one last time. I stick to my original post that serving alcohol to get folks drunk is wrong. The Good Book says so. That's what these banquets are doing and it is wrong.

Now judging you for taking a drink, well that's not my call. That's God's call. Yep, He'll judge me just like He'll judge you.


Wingman

Thanks Dan, that's what i was trying to say; "i jes ain so gud wiff werds"...gator

Now judging you for taking a drink, well that's not my call. That's God's call. Yep, He'll judge me just like He'll judge you.

Well it is a little late for that Rob since you already have. In so many words you have told us how worthless we are and how we act like school kids. And best of all how God will be the one to judge us like we are doomed.

Your greater/holier than thou stance turns more people off than you could possibly know. Yes I will be judged one day and along with billions of others dating back to the beginning of man I will see with my simple little mind what God wants for us. Do you think for a minute that Jesus turned water to grape juice? or the passage drink and be merry means anything but that.

Your interpretation -- my interpretation
Your Stance -My Stance
I respect yours but you don't mine..
Yep now that there boys is your modern day ministry....

Like you I’ll leave this post because I surely can’t stomach this crap. And frankly my friend your not worth it.

boy that was alot of reading on that post since I left work today

I need a drink!!!

the doc

Wing, since about everyone else has expressed their opinion on this thread, I'll do the same. Simply stated, and without reservation, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! I will not argue the issue with anyone. I will not chastise anyone for disagreeing. I will not discontinue being a friend to anyone. I will not stop praying for anyone with a different opinion, either. Hope no one minds me doing that for them.

I have to add a little bit. We all know it is wrong for DU to give away alchohol to sale more products. They loosen them up to loosen their wallets. Isn't it a better way to raise money in a more moral and ethical way. It is almost like taking your kid to the bar and saying this is wrong even if you don't drink. I have always been the first to say can't we have a better banquet. I stopped going a few years ago for this reason. The other reason is we raise gobs of money for these folks and the only du work I see going on around me is for the multi-millionaires. How much is done for the regular people where there money comes from. Again for the drinking and the bible, it is wrong to get drunk or become under the control of the alchohol. It also says don't be a stumbling block to your weaker brothers. Look I have been known in my younger days to put away a few. I think sometimes denomionations put more emphasis on certain sins. They are all equal. The only thing I can say if you proclaim to be a christian people are watching whatever you do and wherever you go. We sometimes wonder why so and so won't come to church. Is it something we are doing preventing them from coming. Are we to much like the lost to make them think they need God. As for Jesus drinking wine and wine you see in the bible you can go back to the greek and find that it was un-fermented wine they were drinking. I am not gonna judge anyone on this matter. Some of my best friends drink. It never has bothered me. What they do is between them and God. I have a hard enough time trying to keep my own life in order. Just my two cents on the matter.

Man, did this post go downhill fast, or what?

Let's all have a big MSDUCKS group hug and put our phlisophical and conceptual differences behind us.

Wingman, no hard feelings. In fact, I agree with you to a certian extent.

That is, that nothing good ever comes from alcohol.

I was lucky enough to be raised in a great Christian home that did not engage in drinking. My parents taught me that drinking is not a good idea, and like I said, nothing good ever comes from it. My Father, who I consider to be THE best man I have ever met, does not drink. He is the example of the man I want to be, one that follows his own convictions and doesn't let outside factors influence his actions. My Dad has helped me grow as an individual by teaching me to think and make decisions for myself.


So, my argument for this thread was not based on the rightness/wrongness of drinking... instead, it was on the methods which we use to determine whether or not something is right/wrong.


I can't wait 'till the 21st of November.

MAG

King Solomon knew the dangers of alcohol:

Who has woe? Who has sorrow? Who has strife?
Who has complaints? Who has needless bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? Those who linger over wine, who go to sample bowls of mixed wine. Do not gaze at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup, when it goes down smoothly! In the end it bites like a snake and poisons like a viper. Your eyes will see strange sights and your mind imagine confusing things. You will be like one sleeping on the high seas, lying on top of the rigging. "They hit me, " you will say, "but I'm not hurt! They beat me, but I don't feel it! When will I wake up so I can find another drink!" Proverbs 23: 29-35

For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do--living in debaucherry, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. They thing it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissapation, and they heap abuse on you. But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. 1 Peter 4:3-6

I'm sorry you think I'm not worth it, Dan. I never sat up on a high horse and looked down my nose at you or anyone else. I'm just trying to tell you that what goes on at these banquets is wrong. Either you believe it or you don't. Yeah, I'm up at 4 in the morning typing this because I think you're worth it, whether you like me or not. I have not judged you, no matter what you think. While I do not drink, I certainly do other things that I will be held accountable for.

The mere fact that 4 banquets advertised on this forum have to place direct emphasis on alcohol being served as a main attraction speaks for itself. A group of grown men ought to be able to put together a meeting without having to advertise "drinks being served". And the fact that chapter members openly admit that the alcohol is served because people that are "tipsy" aren't in their right mind and will spend more money, which is what they're after shows that the serving of the alcohol is a trick. Why allow your mind to be taken over by a foreign substance? I just guess my ideals are "unrealistic" as doc says. Maybe so.

As far as the passage that says "eat, drink and be merry..." if you look in Luke 12 verse 19 and following you will find the whole story, not just the quoted, out of context line so many people misinterpret.

And he told them this parable, "The ground of a certain rich man produced a good crop. He thought to himself, 'What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.' Then he said, "This is what I'll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I'll say to myself, 'You have plenty of good things laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry." "But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?" "This is how it will be with anyone who stores up things for himself but is not rich toward God."

To all of you who think I'm "holier than thou", I never meant to come across that way. If any of you feel that I judged or berated you, then all I can do is ask you to forgive me. But I still stand by my principles and don't comprimise my beliefs.

Wingman

It seems to me that an overdose of blood pressure medicine would do wonders for both sides as it relates to this discussion and quite a few more on this board.

Rob I used to drink with the best of them I DON"T DRINK anymore. But I have no problems with people who do. I think these banquets have SOCIAL HOUR to loosen up the wallets. Don't judge these people until you go to an open AA meeting then you might change your mind.

I'll chime in

Rob, I will commend you for for never backing down through the entire post about your beliefs. Very few people nowadays display enough sack to keep fighting when getting battered from several sides. I think you could have worded a few things differently though and you did stereotype all of guys that do take a drink here and there as drunks(I think this is where Dan was coming from). I understand what you are saying, but don't agree completely with how you said it. Thats what got the dander up in a few folks. Most of us are big boys and we can handle it.

Spoonie, If you didn't like paying $75 for the hunt, you had the option of keeping the money in your pocket. You must not be to disappointed in Rob's hunts because you went back. Buy or lease you some land and make a field and see what your cost per bird is then.

Nothing wrong with standing for your principles or anyone else for that matter. What I object to you already know.

It is sad that DU resorts to drink to get more money, no doubt. Delta is following the same trend. But A grown man makes up his own mind and I can sit around and drink or not drink.

I personally go to church for my scripture not a Duck forum. Modern day scripture spewed from the lips of the so called saved in this country is not what I come to a Hunting forum to view. Politics and religion are not subjects that I feel need to be addressed with fingers pointing.

May I suggest that you go to historychannel.com and purchase the tape set that is called "Who wrote the bible". You might just learn a thing or two.

I for one don't dislike you Rob, Just don't like your finger judging me.
I have seen too much and been to far for that.

My last post on this subject for sure.

Wouldn't this be one boring board if we were all just alike! That's what makes this a great place to hang out. All of us have never agreed on much of anything except the fact that black panthers do , indeed, exist in MS!

That divergence of thought has made this whole country great! The fact that there is no forced pattern of thought is why there is no place on earth I'd rather raise my family other than the good ole US of A! But with that freedom comes the responsibility of protecting it.

Free will is the thing that makes Christianity work. We have to make a choice! As well, if we really buy into the faith, we have a responsibility to "Go ye therefore, into all the nations... ." Ok, so some of us step over the line that way some times. Some of us step over the line with protecting our democracy sometimes, as well. We condemn anyone who does not think like us.

Neither is inherently bad...as long as we remember one of the things that makes us human is the ability to reason. The gift of reason is balanced with the responsibility to forgive. Human beings are blessed with the passions of our personality, but we also are called to forgive those who go over the line sometimes.

How about we take a break from this passionate exorcism, appreciate the wonderful freedom we have to speak our minds, excercise the wisdom or rational thought for a bit, and don't forget to give everyone a break for being human at times...forgiveness is a blessing no matter your theology...it's just about knowing we are all together in this.

Can I call a time-out?