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Model 12....sorry, I don't have a clue [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]

Junior P....thanks for the compliment. To respond to your post re:chokes, above....Yes, I agree that MOST folks Do shoot 'open' chokes (SK1, SK2, Cyl, I.C.) at skeet. 'Not sure I follow the thing about folks changing chokes in mid round.....I don't change mine. I'm actually too lazy to change chokes. Sometimes when I go to the 'Club' I'll shoot all game with the same choke (like I did at the 'cookout')....'shot everything with a IM choke...trap, Skwap, skeet, 5-stand. 'Just wasn't concerned about score....'just wanted to 'hurt'em' (the targets) real bad. By the way, GC none o' my chokes have numbers written on'em [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]....I usually go by how many notches there are in the end..... [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img])
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You asked me about the pheasant/quail hunt. It would depend on the hunt. If there would be an equal amonut of 'finds' on quail versus pheasant, then I would select my chokes by finding a middle ground, lets say Mod/Mod. If there were more quail, I might use IC/Mod, or if more pheasant I might shoot a Mod/Full. 'Totally depends on the hunting situation.

O.K.....from what I gather, you select chokes (as you first indicated) by 'species'....that's what I thought you said. That's kinda foreign to me, but I think I understand the logic behind it. Correct me if I'm wrong and......I'm not taking issue....just considering your approach in an effort to learn something, myself.

Let's use a single barrel/single-choked gun for this. You would use a IC for dove/quail because it generally requires fewer pellets to bring one down?.....and a Mod or Full for ducks/pheasants because they generally require multiple hits, right?

I know you said it depends on the hunting situation, but I'm curious......<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>#1 what's the farthest distance you shoot doves using a IC choke and.....<LI>#2 would you still use a Mod or full choke for ducks, if all your shots were inside of 25yds)?</UL>

In other words, does range/pattern density factor into YOUR selection of chokes for a particular type of hunting, or is the choke selected SOLELY on the basis of relative size of the quarry? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]

[ October 19, 2001: Message edited by: Anatidae ]

O.K.....GH22 and I went to the range, Thursday......His gun fits (but it won't eject field loads.....It's a 'Wally World' Beretta 390 in case you're wondering. Isn't that the one that'll eject ANYTHING, Jeff?) [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] I seem to remember something like "Best duck gun on the market", or some line o''poop' like that. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

Oh, sorry....I got 'off track', there. [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] 'just can't help myself, sometimes.

[img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]Uh, where was I [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img].....Oh yeah, he IS left-eye dominant and apparently so MUCH so, that he probably won't be able to keep both eyes open and still hit the target. His options? He can start over and learn to shoot left-handed (Not!)....put a true-glow sight on, and try to see if THAT will force his 'passive' eye (right eye) to 'take over', which some 'target' shooters have had marginal success with (maybe )....or keep the left eye closed while shooting and learn to be content with just being able to hit most of his shots (BINGO!)

We DID discover that he cannot 'acquire' the target inside of 20 yds (with both eyes open) then shut the left eye, to 'align with the barrel......'needs a longer time to adjust to the 'diplopia' thang. Fortunately for Jeff, he's a decent enough shooter to be able to hit most of his 'hunting' shots, but will really have to 'work' to improve his target game....as most of us do. We talked about 'gadgets' like scotch tape over a portion of the left lense (to block-out the portion of his barrel that causes the 'cross-fire' problem), but decided that sound basic skills, not gadgets, are needed to consistently perform, well. Besides, it's too Damn close to duck season to go 'messin' with the boy's fragile mind. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_sad.gif[/img]

Like I always say...."Hit'em, HARD!", Jeff.....you'll put plenty o' ducks in the freezer like you're goin'! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

[ October 19, 2001: Message edited by: Anatidae ]

Your looking at it backwards: take the most reliable best selling semi-auto in the world, which dominates in all the clay target sports which are much harder on a gun day in/day out than hunting will ever be, and WHO IS THE ONE PERSON WHO CAN SCREW ONE UP.......... [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

Ok Anatidae here goes my logic: The first question was using a single barrel IC for dove and quail? Yes I probably would use this choke. Definately for quail, I prefer a modified for dove. On Quail the covey are generally rising from just a few feet in front of you and flying away and eratic (through brush). A IC opens up quicker and your percentage goes up for hits. If I used a Full I would feel like I would have to wait until the bird was atleast 35 yard before shooting or I would ruin all the meat. My logic for using an open choke.

The furthest I would shoot at a dove with improved would be at about 40 yards. I shoot and over and under and for doves I use a improved then a modified choke.

On ducks I generally shoot a modified choke. If all my shots were inside of 25 yards (guaranteed) I would still use a modified. I feel like that it takes more pellet hits with steel than with lead to kill ducks. When I used to be able to use lead we would shoot 2-3/4" #6's at ducks decoying. Now that steel is the shot I use 3" #4's. It's hard to compare duck hunting with anything else. Ducks you have to shoot steel and pheasants, dove, quail, etc... you can shoot lead unless of course you are on a WMA.

I really don't feel like it takes more pellets to kill ducks than a dove. However shooting steel I feel like you have to have more to have a knock down effect. I have shot ducks with steel watched them fly 300 yards out into the river and just suddenly fall. When shooting lead, either they fall or they don't.

Well here is my logic hope I haven't confused you. [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]

'Sounds pretty 'sound' to me, JP. [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]

GC....Yeah, I think he could tear-up a cannon ball and loose the parts. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]....'wasn't 'bashing the 390's....their dependability HAS been proven, like you say.