Dredging of the Tallahatchie River!

[HDC]

Wingman,
My grandfather lived and farmed in the Delta his entire life, and I worked on his farm growing up as a kid. I now own some of the land that I inherited from my grandfather, and I am in the Delta often enough these days to know that there is very little "community" left. I did live in the Delta for a few years after school before moving to the Jackson area. Living in the Jackson area does not automatically exclude you from knowing anything about the Delta. Regardless of where I live, I know I am right. Your list of 3 needs to be cut to 1, and the COE sucks. By the way, I agree about the soybean farming.

Bully,
You need to wake up and smell the coffee. If you really think that the "COE does not go out looking for work," I have some swamp land.......no strike that......some land that used to be swamp land before the COE drained it...... to sell you.

The COE is sorta like Kudzoo. We had a problem and the COE/Kudzoo seemed like a good fix, but once they got started they not only fixed the problem they were brought in to fix, but continued to grow, consuming and killing everything in their path. Unfortunately, you can try but you can't stop or kill either one.

[Bully]

Wingman,
My grandfather lived and farmed in the Delta his entire life, and I worked on his farm growing up as a kid. I now own some of the land that I inherited from my grandfather, and I am in the Delta often enough these days to know that there is very little "community" left. I did live in the Delta for a few years after school before moving to the Jackson area. Living in the Jackson area does not automatically exclude you from knowing anything about the Delta. Regardless of where I live, I know I am right. Your list of 3 needs to be cut to 1, and the COE sucks. By the way, I agree about the soybean farming.

Bully,
You need to wake up and smell the coffee. If you really think that the "COE does not go out looking for work," I have some swamp land.......no strike that......some land that used to be swamp land before the COE drained it...... to sell you.

The COE is sorta like Kudzoo. We had a problem and the COE/Kudzoo seemed like a good fix, but once they got started they not only fixed the problem they were brought in to fix, but continued to grow, consuming and killing everything in their path. Unfortunately, you can try but you can't stop or kill either one.

I do not doubt that the COE drained your land, but who paid them to do it?

[WhiteRiverWill]

Bully you made my point for me, thanks. The COE does not have our interests at heart. Someone has to make them listen. They do have to be responsible , if not they must be held accountable. It is a cycle I have watched all my life. The COE builds a project with untold millions of taxpayer dollars. Down the road a few years they find it was bad for the environment. They spend untold millions of taxpayer dollars undoing what they did. If we had a watch group in this state to check up on these guys we might could halt some of these projects before irreparable damage is done.

[webbmaster]

Shouldn't the politicians/bureaucrats be the ones held accountable?

Who made the final decision to start this project?

[Bully]

Bully you made my point for me, thanks. The COE does not have our interests at heart. Someone has to make them listen. They do have to be responsible , if not they must be held accountable. It is a cycle I have watched all my life. The COE builds a project with untold millions of taxpayer dollars. Down the road a few years they find it was bad for the environment. They spend untold millions of taxpayer dollars undoing what they did. If we had a watch group in this state to check up on these guys we might could halt some of these projects before irreparable damage is done.

The watchgroups are supposed to be the EPA, state DEP's, etc.. I think it all comes down to what is important to different groups of people. I am not saying the environment, wetlands, etc. are not important, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. Since the COE was organized over 200 years ago, there have been plenty of mistakes. Show me any other organization that has been around that long that has not made mistakes. Take the whole USA for instance. Plenty of mistakes, but it is a broad stroke to paint the COE as a sorry organization that has never done anything correctly.

[WhiteRiverWill]

We can continue to argue about this subject for years to come. The bottom line is this, the upper delta is the last remaining area of natural waterfowl habitat in Mississippi. Is it worth fighting for or not?

[HDC]

I really cannot believe anyone who doesn't work for or have family working for the COE and who likes to duck hunt in Ms. would actually defend the COE. No wonder they can't be stopped. Those same people probably plan on voting for Hillary or Osama Obama.

COE = Kudzoo

[mudsucker]

I really cannot believe anyone who doesn't work for or have family working for the COE and who likes to duck hunt in Ms. would actually defend the COE. No wonder they can't be stopped. Those same people probably plan on voting for Hillary or Osama Obama.

COE = Kudzoo

You are joking. Right?

[Hambone]

I really cannot believe anyone who doesn't work for or have family working for the COE and who likes to duck hunt in Ms. would actually defend the COE. No wonder they can't be stopped. Those same people probably plan on voting for Hillary or Osama Obama.

COE = Kudzoo

You are joking. Right?

I'll let HDC speak for himself, but I hardly think he's joking. The Corps of Engineers' agenda is not conducive to the best interests of wetlands, waterfowl...or duck hunters.

[HDC]

I am not joking.

The COE is on a mission to drain the tax payers of money to pay the salaries of the COE. To do so, they will come up with whatever project they can dream up and do not give a damn about the damage done to the environment. Historically, the COE was set up to assist the armed forces, but since we no longer need forts and we are not constantly at war, they need things to do so they spread (like Kudzoo) into new areas/missions like draining the country.

If you enjoy duck hunting in Ms., you would be a fool to support the COE.

I say we load up all COE employees and send them to the Middle East to support the troops like they were originally organized to do. Perhaps by spending some time in Iraq, they will see what this country will look like if they don't stop with the damn levee building, dredging, draining, etc.

[Bankermane]

or New Orleans, or the Ms Gulf Coast

[mudsucker]

There is a Schitload of COE-Civs over there and a new division for all the Corp. work going on there! Might be Middle East Div. I forget. I was refering to voting a certian way because I work for the corp.! As if.

There are two reasons for FEDERAL FUNDED, CONGRESSIONAL APPROVED DREDGING.


One is for navigation to a project depth that is written into public law. That is the type we do on the lower Mississippi from Baton Rouge to the sea buoy off of SW Pass, Ms. river. The depth we dig to is 51'. Above Baton Rouge, it is a federaly authorized channel of 9' They will dig down to 12' because of a 3' overdredging(maintianance) that is allowed so dredging will not have to be done so soon in the same area.

The other is for flood control. Again Congresionaly mandated projects that the Corp is tasked to do by both "in house" and private contractors. Now a days, it may and will take into account wetland loss and the likes but a project such as this from "back in the Day" is just being maintained to the letter of the law. Were mistakes made? You bet. Do I think every Corp project is the "Bee's Knees"? No I do not. You need to talk to our folks in Washington to get it changed

[Bully]

I am not joking.

The COE is on a mission to drain the tax payers of money to pay the salaries of the COE. To do so, they will come up with whatever project they can dream up and do not give a damn about the damage done to the environment. Historically, the COE was set up to assist the armed forces, but since we no longer need forts and we are not constantly at war, they need things to do so they spread (like Kudzoo) into new areas/missions like draining the country.

If you enjoy duck hunting in Ms., you would be a fool to support the COE.

I say we load up all COE employees and send them to the Middle East to support the troops like they were originally organized to do. Perhaps by spending some time in Iraq, they will see what this country will look like if they don't stop with the damn levee building, dredging, draining, etc.

HDC,
Obviously you know nothing about the COE. The COE builds buildings, training grounds, etc. for the military every day. That is what I do. There are a LOT of COE employees in the middle east. They are building power plants, hospitals, schools, water treatment plants, and every kind of infrastructure needed in a civilized country. I have worked at Ft. Bragg, NC, Redstone Arsenal, AL, Columbus AFB, MS, Mayport NAS in Jacksonville, FL, Tyndall and Eglin AFB's in the Florida Panhandle, Annistion Army Depot in Anniston, AL and the list goes on and on. We do still support the military. That is why I am defending the COE. What have you built in the middle east lately?

[Bully]

Sorry Mud. You beat me to it.

[Bully]

Shouldn't the politicians/bureaucrats be the ones held accountable?

Who made the final decision to start this project?

I finally agree with you weedmaster.