How Sorry is this?

[Jelly]

simple, if you can't keep dogs on your property, DON"T run them. It's VERY simple.

If your dog can't read, it's your responsibility to keep him off others property. I was talking to a dog the other day that told me his owners make him run on others property and he's not allowed to run does at all. They make him carry a two way radio to give a rough score of the buck he's running. He has tried to run away but he can't get the collar off because he doesn't have thumbs. Must be tough to be a dog

[bigoak]

I can tell you how you keep your dogs from running on private property. You train them to come back when you call them. Anybody ever rabbit hunted with dogs that were trained properly. The owner can blow a whistle (or whatever he uses for a call) and the dogs will stop and return back to the owner. The dogs that cannot be trained to do this are not used to hunt. Deer hunters that use dogs do not take the time to do this.

I have always said that if it is illegal to shoot a deer dog then there should be a law requiring owners to have collars on their dogs with the owner's name & address. If your dog comes on my property then you will be charged for tresspassing. If the GW catches you with dogs that do not have collars on them then you get a ticket.

[skuna]

I still hunt....always have, it was how I was raised and taught to hunt deer. I would not deer hunt if the only way I could do was to run dogs and drive around trying to shoot one from the road.......but I wouldn't mind doing it like they did when my dad was a kid. They would pick a section or block of land and which had designated spots or stands every so many hundred yards and everyone drew a number and that was the stand you had to hunt. Someone walked the dogs in and put them on a track. If the deer came your way you made sure you caught the dogs.......no matter what. Somewhere in the last 40 years that turned into turning dogs loose off the side of the road and chasing them all over creating rutting up fields, roads, or whatever.

I don't care for it but there is nothing wrong with it if it is done right and I think all hunters need to be careful and put a lot of thought into what they think should be "outlawed". Once we start banning one type of hunting it just makes it that much easier for other types to be banned as well. It's a slippery slope.

On the flip side, the folks that give dog hunting a bad name are doing a disservice to all hunters. Non-hunters don't understand the difference. Something needs to be done to keep things in check....whatever it be....more fines, higher fines, loss of hunting privilege.

I have heard of clubs that shoot every dog that crosses their land and I just can't agree with that. Maybe if it is intentional, I would catch the dogs but not shoot.

[SNOT]

"please explain what one should do to keep their dogs from gettin on another property holder's land???? enlighten me please...... and charge someone with tresoassing for the dogs crossing lines??? explain that one too....... please do, explain how either is possible..... "

I've got an idea....ban dog hunting like so many states already have.

[Bodeine]

shot on the spot and the collars mailed back to you along with the dogs.

[stitch]

Bglenut,

good post on the subject. I am pretty sure that you will not convince the nay sayers on here that dog hunting has a strategy and is a thought out process before the dogs are ever turned loose. I do not dog hunt myself, but I do love the opportunity to hear a good race. To each their own.

I never said there wasn't a strategy, I just said it is rude as heck to allow your dogs to go places they weren't welcome. And the attitude that dogs may go on private land and you can't do anything about it is the reason the majority of the reason people don't like dog hunters. If part of the strategy / process you refer to is to allow that to happen......well, I don't need to say it again....

[Cotten]

"please explain what one should do to keep their dogs from gettin on another property holder's land???? enlighten me please...... and charge someone with tresoassing for the dogs crossing lines??? explain that one too....... please do, explain how either is possible..... "

I've got an idea....ban dog hunting like so many states already have.

Ban dog hunting on land the dog hunters do not have permission to hunt. If the dog hunters can not comply then they don't hunt with dogs. Still hunters who spend thousands of $$$ on leases and/or hundreds of thousands of $$$ on land purchases are not responsible for furnishing land to dog hunters.

As much as it's a typical red neck mentality that dog hunter’s traditions should be preserved at the expense of private property owners who do not want dogs on their land, it still makes me want to throw up when I read all of this "shoot the dogs" crap here. Obviously wild dogs are different but shooting walkers with collars for example is unthinkable in my opinion. And taking their collars off and turning them loose is not humane in my opinion either knowing very well the next folks who see them could mistake the dogs for wild.

No, it’s not the dogs fault; it’s the fault of the pea brained red neck(s) that turn their dogs loose knowing they will not stay on their own property. That think they are “entitled” to ruin someone else’s hunt so they can have their tradition.

A humane problem solver for the still hunter having problems with dogs ruining their hunts could be as follows: Catch the dogs, load them up and turn them in to the animal rescue league a few counties away from the one they were caught in, and lose the collars.

[chattahoochee]

I grew up deer hunting with hounds and had sorry SOB's shoot some of our hounds for running on their land. Guys, if the houndsmen can stop the dogs from running on posted land then without a doubt they would. But a hound is bred to get on a trail of the animal that it's running and then keep on going after until either that animal is shot or they just near about catch it. It's called being a predator and that's in the dog's blood. If all houndsmen had a couple of thousand acres to run in one area then the dogs would not go on posted land. But, many clubs lease 500 acres here then down the road they will lease 200 acres. So that hound WILL run over the property line. Don't get me wrong alot of dog clubs will kill every thing that get's in front of their sights. But the club my family had only killed bucks and no does. Now I don't deer hunt anymore but it is disturbing to hear people that have never ran dogs before blame the dog men for their hounds hunting abilities.

[wilhar]

I don't know why anyone cares if a dog runs onto their adjoining property anyway unless you might think that a bunch of hunters are following them to trespass and hunt on your property. Otherwise, a pack of dogs are not going to bother your deer or the ability for you to kill your deer. Worst case scenario some does or maybe a buck gets pushed or chased. The does and the buck will be back on your property within 24 hours anyway if not sooner. Best case scenario, you might get a shot at a buck that you would'nt have in a normal still hunting situation.
During the off season when everyone is playing summer ball, and cutting their yard and going out with friends and family do you have any idea how many yard dogs and wild dogs and coyotes are running your deer on your property. Am I way off base here? Have I missed the point?
I know that we all ultimately get along but let's remember to not let this stuff
get out of hand. Whether we are Trapper's, Hunter's ( dog or no dog) or fisherman we all have to stick together and keep all fodder away from the anti-hunter and their organization's.

PS : The wiley old buck knows how to avoid you and he is seasoned at avoiding 4 legged predators. The still hunters in our club love the dogs. The bucks get up and move pretty well immediately after the dogs are gone.

[stitch]

I don't know why anyone cares if a dog runs onto their adjoining property anyway unless you might think that a bunch of hunters are following them to trespass and hunt on your property. Otherwise, a pack of dogs are not going to bother your deer or the ability for you to kill your deer. Worst case scenario some does or maybe a buck gets pushed or chased. The does and the buck will be back on your property within 24 hours anyway if not sooner. Best case scenario, you might get a shot at a buck that you would'nt have in a normal still hunting situation.
During the off season when everyone is playing summer ball, and cutting their yard and going out with friends and family do you have any idea how many yard dogs and wild dogs and coyotes are running your deer on your property. Am I way off base here? Have I missed the point?
I know that we all ultimately get along but let's remember to not let this stuff
get out of hand. Whether we are Trapper's, Hunter's ( dog or no dog) or fisherman we all have to stick together and keep all fodder away from the anti-hunter and their organization's.

PS : The wiley old buck knows how to avoid you and he is seasoned at avoiding 4 legged predators. The still hunters in our club love the dogs. The bucks get up and move pretty well immediately after the dogs are gone.

Yes, you missed the point. The POINT is that I do not what your dogs on my property....period. Shouldn't you have respect for my personal property? If not, why should I have respect for your dog? That 24 hour period you refer to when the deer is "off" my property, may be the 24 hours I have to hunt that week. As far as wild dogs and coyotes, I don't like them either and will do what I can to control them......I just don't need any extra help from inconsiderate dog hunters.

Again, do you think it's really OK for your dogs to go wherever they want?

[stitch]

I don't know why anyone cares if a dog runs onto their adjoining property anyway unless you might think that a bunch of hunters are following them to trespass and hunt on your property. Otherwise, a pack of dogs are not going to bother your deer or the ability for you to kill your deer. Worst case scenario some does or maybe a buck gets pushed or chased. The does and the buck will be back on your property within 24 hours anyway if not sooner. Best case scenario, you might get a shot at a buck that you would'nt have in a normal still hunting situation.
During the off season when everyone is playing summer ball, and cutting their yard and going out with friends and family do you have any idea how many yard dogs and wild dogs and coyotes are running your deer on your property. Am I way off base here? Have I missed the point?
I know that we all ultimately get along but let's remember to not let this stuff
get out of hand. Whether we are Trapper's, Hunter's ( dog or no dog) or fisherman we all have to stick together and keep all fodder away from the anti-hunter and their organization's.

PS : The wiley old buck knows how to avoid you and he is seasoned at avoiding 4 legged predators. The still hunters in our club love the dogs. The bucks get up and move pretty well immediately after the dogs are gone.

One other question.....since it's obviously no big deal, why don't you give me directions to your club, I have some buddies that have some dogs that we want to run through there, line up around the perimeter....and again, being the considerate person you are, me and all my buddies can finish the day with an evenening still hunt on your lease. Do you have any water / ducks we can hunt as well?

[littlesmacko89]

A dog is another persons property if it has a collar on it and if caught killing a dog that is owned by someone you WILL pay a fine and sever jail time. (I KNOW BECAUSE I PUT SOMEONE IN JAIL FOR SHOOTING 2 OF MY BEAGLES AND THEY PAYED A HEAVY FINE TOO - I was not deer hunting, I was rabbit hunting, still the same outcome for the person.)

honest question.....what are the penalties for allowing dogs to go on private / posted land?

there is no protection for private landowner's on this subject

well i will do one of three things if this happens and this is going to be my last post on the subject cause im tired of all the &@#! goin on so here are my three

shoot the deer so the dogs will stop and can be returned to the owners

catch the dogs and return to owner

or shoot both of them and toss the collar somewhere in attala county!!!!! end of story.............keep the dogs from runnin off your property or be ready for them to get shot

and personally i think since its your dog that ran on somebody elses property i think you could be charged for trespassing dont know but its your property that came over on someone elses property so idk im leaving it at that

what do i know im jus arguing with a brick wall that wont shut up so yall have fun

please explain what one should do to keep their dogs from gettin on another property holder's land???? enlighten me please...... and charge someone with tresoassing for the dogs crossing lines??? explain that one too....... please do, explain how either is possible.....

not being a smart !@#.... .but to me, neither make sense.... you cant hold a dog from running a deer into other property.... or how you can press charges..... what happens when your lab makes a blind run 250 yards and it ends up pickin the duck up on another property line? could someone press charges on you? should your lab know where the property line that does visually exist is?


yes, i use to run dogs, and no, i dont have a huge problem with it, seen it from both sides......

it think everything has been explained

but nothing to worry bout if you dont run in holmes county

[RebelYelp]

I don't know why anyone cares if a dog runs onto their adjoining property anyway unless you might think that a bunch of hunters are following them to trespass and hunt on your property. Otherwise, a pack of dogs are not going to bother your deer or the ability for you to kill your deer. Worst case scenario some does or maybe a buck gets pushed or chased. The does and the buck will be back on your property within 24 hours anyway if not sooner. Best case scenario, you might get a shot at a buck that you would'nt have in a normal still hunting situation.
During the off season when everyone is playing summer ball, and cutting their yard and going out with friends and family do you have any idea how many yard dogs and wild dogs and coyotes are running your deer on your property. Am I way off base here? Have I missed the point?
I know that we all ultimately get along but let's remember to not let this stuff
get out of hand. Whether we are Trapper's, Hunter's ( dog or no dog) or fisherman we all have to stick together and keep all fodder away from the anti-hunter and their organization's.

PS : The wiley old buck knows how to avoid you and he is seasoned at avoiding 4 legged predators. The still hunters in our club love the dogs. The bucks get up and move pretty well immediately after the dogs are gone.

A. You're joking right ?

B. Coyotes have a minimal effect on deer predation in the south.... yard dogs ? nowhere near the pressure of a pack of dogs chasing a deer

C. Yes, a pack of dogs DOES bother your deer AND the ability for you to kill them.... pressure is pressure, and when you spend thousands of $$$ on a lease that you want to keep as pressure free as possible, it effects your deer heard drastically for dogs to come through your property.

D. 24 hours ? sometimes...... depends on if leroy and billy bob shoot it/at it on the other property line, how long the deer is run, etc.... deer are smarter than you think, they get pressured X times on Y property, they're gone, new home range and everything..... not to mention turning completely nocturnal

E. as for your best case scenario, i would rather match my wits against the buck's, not the buck's against a pack of hounds.......

F. Yes, you are way off base and you did miss the point..... like stitch said, wild dogs and coyotes are "dealt" with..... if you're comparing your hounds to them, can I get that in writing ? (BTW, yotes generally stick to rabbits, coons, opposums, etc...... small game..... not deer, GENERALLY)

G. Ah............. the good ole, we need to be friends so PETA doesn't hand us our asses line...... the # 1 dog running defense in Mississippi... again, a few posts back I said........

" Bottom line, you respect me and my property and i'll respect you and yours"

If dog hunters would start to respect private landowners, this would all go away, but 90% + of them don't.... i've been on both sides of the fence, it's not that difficult to line an area off with ample # of shooters (no, not 3 people for 1000 acres) and catch the dogs before they get through... even better, harvest the game they are chasing.... I don't want your dogs on my property just like you don't want a couple of hippies makin whoopie on your front lawn

[YazooValley]

Georgia's relatively new dog hunting rules make sense to me:


1) Property owners or lessees desiring to hunt deer with dogs on their land must first obtain a WRD-issued permit; 2) Permitted property must contain at least 1,000 contiguous acres; and 3) All dogs and vehicles used in deer hunts on the permitted property must be identified with the permit number.

[profiler]

Just my .02 cents..... I have dog hunted for years. Recently, in the past week, everyday. We hunt in the same national forest for years and rarely get near any private land. These roads are not paved, and normal traffic does not go down them. If we do get near private land, either that person is usually hunting with us, or we have their permission to go in and get the dogs. Each dog carries a tracking collar so, in the event they get across the road, we can generally get their direction.

See, it's very simple. Respect private owners, hunt on land big enough to handle your dogs, and simply catch the dogs or at least some of them! Catch 3 and the other 2 will give up quickly.

Lessons learned: 1. Respect the owners of private land. 2. know your dogs and their tendencies to stay in the chase, 3. know your land, where the deer go and how to cut them off. 4. obey all the laws of WMA's and MDWPF.

See it's very simple.

Finally, as with everything, there are some bad apples. Why eliminate dog hunting when a few give it a bad name? It's the same as outlawing guns, when if you did, the only ones with them would be outlaws.