DU Loses It's Mind???

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Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:48 pm

In the response to Chad's post, the choir says: AMEN. 8)

Since neither Chad nor Billie Ray made the decision that has caused such turmoil, it would be inappropriate for them to comment on it.

I know John as well (not as well as many of you), having worked with him for several years during my involvement with the DU committee in Tupelo and working as the chairman of the Sponsor banquet in Tupelo for a couple of years. I like John and had no serious problems with his support in the Tupelo area. And I wish him well in the future.

I am certain that we will find out in the future the reasoning behind DU's decision to eliminate one of the MS RD positions. Until then, perhaps it might be a good idea to not assume the worst about an organization that has done so much over the years to help the ducks.

And Billie Ray will need all the help he can get to cover the entire state of MS, if that is part of the new plan of DU. And I still fail to see how it is fair or constructive to level personal attacks at BRF or Chad or any particular person employed by DU at the local level. Both are dedicated to their jobs and DU's mission and have a passion for duck hunting. They are one of us. They participate actively on this board, and share good, helpful information about the duck hunting world to keep us all informed. They are each good folks who are right now caught in the crossfire of this backlash. I think they deserve much better from this board community.

The mission of DU is much, much bigger than one person, or even a handful of people. All are important cogs, and any loss will be missed. But, life goes on, and the mission must go on for the good of the ducks, even as imperfect as many suggest.
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Postby sportsman450 » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:08 pm

the mission must go on for the good of the ducks, even as imperfect as many suggest.

It is this line of thinking that has allowed DU to become what they have. Their performance in this "mission" has become so watered down with mis-spending that there are now much better destinations for our conservation dollars and time, and no warm fuzzy is gonna change that.
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Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:16 pm

Sportsman450, you have pointed out a lot of generalities as to what is wrong with DU. Can you offer any proposed solutions to the problems you cite?
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Postby sportsman450 » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:23 pm

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:Sportsman450, you have pointed out a lot of generalities as to what is wrong with DU. Can you offer any proposed solutions to the problems you cite?

Already have. Give your donations and volunteer time to DW and buy extra duck stamps as Ramsey suggested.
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Postby bodeen » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:33 pm

Chads right. DU's mission has not changed. But leave no doubt this has hit a very big nerve. The volunteers in North Ms feel betrayed and there is no other way to say it. Some will probably come back but from what I hear a lot will not.

DU staff will need to handle things a little differently next time.

My event last Friday night was one of the best we've had in years. Tomorrow I will send in the money we raised and entrust the DU staff with it.

I'll think long and hard about my involvment going forward.
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Postby Greenhead22 » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:04 pm

Volunteers can start dropping like flies in every one of these north ms chapters, and they'll be 10 guys waiting in line at each one to take over just to say they are part of a DU chair or committee. I can understand DU wanting to go to a 1 RD system in some ways, but damn Billie Ray's got enough on his plate now without having to deal with the north ms chapters, same goes for Mr. John and the South MS chapters. How is DU saving money cutting out John's salary knowing that they'll have to increase Billie Ray's?

The North MS chapters will always make more money than the Southern chapters, mainly because you have twice the duck hunters, so I don't see how it's a money issue with DU knowing they'll still pull in that $$$ even with another RD. The South chapters will always be lagging when it comes to pulling in money, larger chapters can't carry the smaller one's that only have like 50 people attend the banquets. I've always heard great things out of Mr. John as I have Billie Ray, but for people to starting pointing fingers at Billie Ray just cause he's the last man standing doesn't mean he pulled some shat to get John 86'd.

I got a chance to see what all kinds of crap a RD gets to put up with on a daily basis when I rode with Billie Ray to a chapter banquet one night. The guy was on the phone with chapter leaders from all over south ms, wheelin' n dealin' from the time I got in the truck til we got back at midnight, couldn't even carry on a bs conversation for more than 2 min without that phone going off.
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Postby B.M.F.T. » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:12 pm

Many other organizations have done this recently. This is nothing new. This is a way to make your money work smarter. DU is not nor will be the only one to make changes this way. If you had faith in DU before this, then have faith in them now. This is a business and not a feel good buddy system. You must have faith that this is for the good. If you don't like DU then support someone else. But if you are on here to stir crap which some of you are, then support DW and shut the he$$ up. I can understand being close to an RD like John, he is a great guy, but there may be more to the story. I am not saying that I know something you don't. Billie is a great guy and he is now the RD for the state. He will have a heavier load to carry for sure. You can't change the past, but you can support Billie Ray today. It is admirable for people to support John and I know he appreciates it, but have faith in the one you have been supporting for years. I think it too much to throw away.

Some of you are on here to start a fight and sway opinions to DW. I was hoping this would not become a trashy redneck forum. Leave the monkeys in the zoo to throwing crap on another forum.

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Postby Cotten » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:24 pm

B.M.F.T. wrote:What has DW done for you lately?........................ Not much.



Sounds like "throwing crap" to me. :roll:
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Postby sportsman450 » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:33 pm

Greenhead22 wrote:Volunteers can start dropping like flies in every one of these north ms chapters, and they'll be 10 guys waiting in line at each one to take over just to say they are part of a DU chair or committee.

I gotta tell ya 22. I was chairman of a fairly large chapter for several years, and that just ain't the case. Particularly if you're lookin fer people that WILL ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING!


B.M.F.T. wrote:This is a way to make your money work smarter.

EVIDENTLY >>>-------> NOT!
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Postby bodeen » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:47 pm

I can promise ya there aint ten people in line for my chapter. Im not whining but that is the way it is here. And let me make something else clear, I am not knocking Billie Ray.

All Im saying is that this has caused a big stink and there has got to be a reason for it. I have no clue about any of the details. Has DU fired any other RD in any other state. I would like to know if they got the same reaction they are getting here.

As far as me assessing my involvement going forward. I do that every year anyway. Sometimes change is good and if someone can do my job better than me so be it. They can have it.
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Postby Thomas » Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:54 pm

Who cares? Really? I'm grabbing my spinners, and going huntin'......!! :shock:
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Postby Dutch Dog » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:16 pm

The ONLY person who has ever bashed BRF is the anonymous lady who wrote the letter of resignation. Nobody that I can recall has had a bad thing to say about him. We are simply pointing out that mismanagement of monies donated to the "cause" will "cause" a LOT of folks to donate their monies to an organization which WILL do something proactive with it. You don't see DW executives plastered all over the TV showing us how they are spending our donations. If they are out there doing it AT LEAST THEY ARE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO RUB IT IN OUR FACES EACH WEEK ON A TV SHOW.
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Postby Double R 2 » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:37 pm

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Postby Greenhead22 » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:37 pm

bodeen wrote:I can promise ya there aint ten people in line for my chapter. Im not whining but that is the way it is here.


That's Charleston for ya. :wink:
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Postby the doctor » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:44 pm

Greenhead22 wrote:
bodeen wrote:I can promise ya there aint ten people in line for my chapter. Im not whining but that is the way it is here.


That's Charleston for ya. :wink:


GH22 you are sorely mistaken...this is the way it will be everywhere, got nothing to do with charleston

DU in N MS is done...everyone knows it, even CM and BRF, they have just been charged with the task of stopping what DU set in motion

not the kind of job I want...clean up this pile, while I go over here and start another pile...no way man

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