Who is finding some rocks?

[Spoonallard]

I like the new avatar Ben-Computin.

[Wingman]

Beastmaster, what would you like me to say about 9,000 year old artifacts? Where did you see a 9,000 year old artifact? I saw reference to some that were 6-8000 years old.

[Duckmanhar]

Ain't nobody got a levey?????????

I'll Trade for a green briar

[duckter]

Sorefeet,

I'd go rock huntin' with you but your an Aub. I informed Wingman he's gonna' have to invest in a flippin' stick. Heard there's a great spot for rocks on the south side of Clarence's. Any truth to the rumor?

[Wingman]

I think what Beastmaster is really wanting me to do is argue about the age of the rocks.

You know, scientists just in the last few months have discovered something that they thought to be extinct for the last what, 60-70 years?

One day more scientists are going to discover more things they have long believed to be true, but are not.

I can believe a 10,000 year old rock, but I'm not into the 52 trillion year old thing. Maybe one day I'll be proved wrong.

Carry on.

[sorefeet]

That Dalton Greenbrair is a toothy sumbitch.. daltons are considered transitional paleo and very old (if you believe in Radiocarbon dating anyway) The stone is all that is left so who knows how old some stone tools are?

Here's a place that shows point types and dates
http://www.nativetech.org/stone/pointtypes/list.html
http://www.arch.dcr.state.nc.us/points.htm
http://archnet.asu.edu/archnet/uconn_ex ... points.htm


hamilton stemmed (morgan co. al.)

morrow moutain (madison co. al.)

mud creek (madison co. al.)

pickwick (lauderdale co. al.)

pinetree (madison co. al.)

[sorefeet]

duckter....

shhhhhhhh... keep ole clarence's place under yer cap... when that place comes outta CRP I'm gonna find a clovis in there as long as yer leg.... hehehehehehehe

[BeastMaster]

here is the reference to 9000 i was referring to...

Duckmanhar



Joined: 03 Oct 2003
Posts: 78
Location: North Central Florida
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:26 pm Post subject:

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boy If i could figure how to place a photo on this site??

found some in the back yard digging for a new grill pad. was told by a pro. that my rocks were made over 9000 years ago! so much for the therory of evoolution?

Still find it intresting that how man ca survive
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Displaced Mississippian, lost in the wilds of Florida

its not the fact that a rock is 9000 years old... anyone and everyone should believe that... its the fact that a rock was sculped and chipped and worked 9000 years ago.....

[Wingman]

I am not going to worry about something that I know no one can proove.

Don't let it bother you so much that I disagree with most of the scientific theories.

Back to rocks...maybe this rain washed the dirt off of a few.

[sorefeet]

This is the best one I have found so far. A fluted cumberland from madison co. al. Fluted points are the oldest of all the arrowheads.



Here are other tools you might find while hunting arrowheads (thumb scrappers, duckbill scrappers, uniface tools, gravers, spokeshaves, flint celts and hoes)


You can tell a tool from the edge work.

[Wingman]

Wow! I would've thought all of those tools were just busted rocks. You've got some cool stuff.

I found these today in some rows at the base of a mound.

The little triangular, tan colored one is neat. I thought it might be a chip from a point, but the third edge is paper thin and on the back side is chipped out just like the other sides. What do you make of them, sorefeet?

Also found the penny. Scientists say it is from 1970. Now I'm wondrin' how they attached that penny to the arrow shaft?

[sorefeet]

Wow... I think you are stepping out a bit on that 1970 date for the penny. No way abe was alvie in 1970.. must be a fake.

When you start finding tools then you are right on the main site. Tools were prolly not carried about like projectile points were. They were left at home and used to scrape hides.

As for your few found arryheads.. The triangle looks like madison. Those little triangle are 'true' arrowheads. The big points are actually spearheads. The big ponts were on a small spear and thrown with a device called an 'atlatl'. The bow and arrow is a newer technology and didn't come along till later... there I go again talking dates

The rocks yall find over in your area are yellow and red. I think they call that kind of material jasper. Nice color. For some reason the MS delta does not produce the older point types. Maybe they are there but just covered in very deep layers of MS river deposite from (here I go again..) 1000's of years of flooding.

[sorefeet]

Here's another tid bit to think about. In most cases with flint knapping, the oldest points are often the best made points. The flaking and fluting techniques used by paleo indians was awesome but lost over time. Its a 'reverse technology'... the art fades over time and the newer points are not near as nice as the older ones. Why is that? In most 'stuff' we should get better at it over time.

Speculation is that the paleos were mainly wandering bands of hunters. When agriculture finally took off the flint knapping technology changed.

[Duckmanhar]

its not the fact that a rock is 9000 years old... anyone and everyone should believe that... its the fact that a rock was sculped and chipped and worked 9000 years ago.....
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Thats what I ment to say

I Just Checked a site here in central Fl and evidently there was quite a few locations of mound-builder sites in my area, you can still see miden mounds "trash heaps" in the back of my property by the spring.

About a month ago I was putting a utillity fence up and hid hardpan and a fire site still smelled like it was put out yesterday but manatee ribs were found while digging.

I wonder what a manatee taste's like?

[sorefeet]

Duckmanhar,

Wish I could come hunt arrowheads down in FL. You should look for them (maybe dig) on your property. Florida has some of the best points and material in the country. Those coral points are awesome. Bay bottom chert is nice too. I have a shovel! Just tell me when!

Here are some examples of Florida types. Check out the pinhead coral material these are made of. When held up to the light you can see the six-sided polyps of the coral. Awesome material and arrowheads! Look real close at this picture of a coral newnan to see the coral polyps.



here is another translucent coral marion point


here is some heat-altered coral points