MS Wildlife Extravaganza Boycott

[gps4]

In the most recent years past, did mike Vick still have a booth at the extravaganza?

[deltadukman]

Dan, You may or may not can answer this, and its really irrelevant, but with a high river at Vicksburg, say 52-3 feet, has anyone done a study on where the water would cover if there were no backwater levees? I'm just curious. I'm not saying they don't serve their purpose because 95% of the time, they have. I would just be curious.

[stang67]

If you have good elevation data, you can compare it to Vburg stage plus 46.2 feet — I think.

[novacaine]

Dan, You may or may not can answer this, and its really irrelevant, but with a high river at Vicksburg, say 52-3 feet, has anyone done a study on where the water would cover if there were no backwater levees? I'm just curious. I'm not saying they don't serve their purpose because 95% of the time, they have. I would just be curious.

During the 2011 flood scenerio when they were predicting 109 ft on riverside stage at Steele Bayou i ran some numbers based off available lidar data..............
109 ft would put water at the centerline highway at Rolling Fork...........

[DanP]

Dan, You may or may not can answer this, and its really irrelevant, but with a high river at Vicksburg, say 52-3 feet, has anyone done a study on where the water would cover if there were no backwater levees? I'm just curious. I'm not saying they don't serve their purpose because 95% of the time, they have. I would just be curious.

We ran some 101.5 flood maps back in 2016 and it was pretty bad. Don’t remember the exact extent but whole bunch of ground from Hwy 12 south under. 2011 was worse like Bill mentioned. If it had over topped and equalized to 107-108 Belzoni would have had couple feet of water if I remember right.

[Wildfowler]

Dan, You may or may not can answer this, and its really irrelevant, but with a high river at Vicksburg, say 52-3 feet, has anyone done a study on where the water would cover if there were no backwater levees? I'm just curious. I'm not saying they don't serve their purpose because 95% of the time, they have. I would just be curious.

We ran some 101.5 flood maps back in 2016 and it was pretty bad. Don’t remember the exact extent but whole bunch of ground from Hwy 12 south under. 2011 was worse like Bill mentioned. If it had over topped and equalized to 107-108 Belzoni would have had couple feet of water if I remember right.

Glad there wasn’t a levee breach. Belzoni went to about 113-14 this year.

[booger]

Normally I'm against whatever the Corps is "for", after permanently destroying the entire Obion river bottoms (only stopping after being sued by a group of Nashville duck hunting attorneys) and destroying about two miles of the Cache above Clarendon, before stopping, those two being one of many unforgivable sins, I'm not a fan.

However, the pumps make sense.

I have missed the last several Extravaganza's and was looking forward to this one. I'm still planning on attending and I'll give the report back here. I guess the Darden gal will be there now? Hawking to a slim crowd? I dunno, can't keep up with the latest. Since I'll be in the neighborhood maybe BassPro will have sale and I can cruise over there and get some Yeti underwear. Go ahead and flame me ifyaonto.

[DuckBoat]

I am on record here as being against the pumps long ago the last time this was discussed here.

Long ago for selfish reasons I thought if the pumps were finished I could kiss goodbye any more freelance hunting at panther swamp or DNF during high water events like back in 05 at the end of the season.

The last two weeks of that season were some of the most fun I’ve had. Suddenly having 1000’s of acres of woods to hunt in.

By my way of thinking, any flooding would only be short term. What’s the worst that would happen? I thought to myself that farmers might not be able to plant corn that year and would have to just plant late beans instead if there was a late spring flood.

I wish to publicly apologize for being dead booty wrong about this issue.

I had no clue that 100’s of thousands of acres could remain flooded for six months straight.

Even if it was only recreational land affected. Not being able to manage for waterfowl crops for an entire season is devastating.

I am sorry. I was wrong in my way of thinking about the issue previously.

This was pretty much my thinking as well. It’s a nice change and mixes things up to hunting when the water gets up. However things just got out of hand this year. If they decide to put the pumps in I hope they will still let it get to 91 or so feet before turning the pumps on during hunting season.

[Wildfowler]

Rode by there at 930 this morning. Definitely not the traffic jam I remember from years gone by at opening time.

Also, this is somewhat visible from boots and more across the street from the exit.

Delbert must not mind the controversy. His name was parked in the front parking lot.

To put the crowd level in perspective. Parking had just begun to spill over into the lot across from the main trade mart entrance. No more than 50 cars there.

[Wildfowler]

Why can’t you delete the duplicate post anymore

[eSJay]

Based on the news reports I saw, the boycott was successful! The placed looked like a ghost town.
I hate it for the venders that count on events like this, but I hope it made a statement to MWF!

Andy - I posted a duplicate to see if I could delete & it worked for me (the second time). Seems to be hit or miss. I doubt the new regime spends much time on this old school message board stuff. They trying to lure you to the dark side....the phase book!

[teul2]

If one claims high MS River levels are “man made,” well OK, that’s not one I want to debate.

It is a debate I have thought of before.
Imagine if you will, no levees, zero, none, nada from Venice to the Canadian border in the MS river system as a whole. Wouldn't the river levels be lower if the water had historic flood planes to back out into? Isn't the delta it self as a whole a historic MS river flood plane?

[teul2]

And back to the ganza, this made me happy.
https://www.vicksburgnews.com/mwf-extra ... der-water/

[stang67]

If one claims high MS River levels are “man made,” well OK, that’s not one I want to debate.

It is a debate I have thought of before.
Imagine if you will, no levees, zero, none, nada from Venice to the Canadian border in the MS river system as a whole. Wouldn't the river levels be lower if the water had historic flood planes to back out into? Isn't the delta it self as a whole a historic MS river flood plane?

Yeah, it is an interesting thought. Add urbanization, poor soil and water conservation habits, climate change. But the what-ifs apply at home, too. For example, if every ag acre in the Yazoo, Steele floodplain were still in bottomland hardwoods, might any flooded acres have been spared?

[missed mallards]

If one claims high MS River levels are “man made,” well OK, that’s not one I want to debate.

It is a debate I have thought of before.
Imagine if you will, no levees, zero, none, nada from Venice to the Canadian border in the MS river system as a whole. Wouldn't the river levels be lower if the water had historic flood planes to back out into? Isn't the delta it self as a whole a historic MS river flood plane?

Yeah, it is an interesting thought. Add urbanization, poor soil and water conservation habits, climate change. But the what-ifs apply at home, too. For example, if every ag acre in the Yazoo, Steele floodplain were still in bottomland hardwoods, might any flooded acres have been spared?

My comment was based on the use of pumps. Think of the flooding in those levee systems if they wouldn’t have had pumps. You’d have the south delta up and down the whole river system as bad as the south delta is. Man built the Steele bayou dam. They’ve built a whole lot of other dams but used a pumping system to prevent this. So yeah, the south delta is in a large part, man made.