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donia wrote:

CW wrote:

novacaine wrote:What is the reference to Goldkist? What is he talking about?

A failed industrial prospect a while back. I remember a lot of controversy but not the details.

was it supposed to be where the goldkist farm place was outside of town (across from yazoo river bridge on the way to sidon)?

That sounds right.

Delta and Chevy have made some good points and raised good questions.

I too have questions as to why the MS AG's office was involved, and why local law enforcement was not more involved.

Based upon the affidavit of a Greenwood police detective about the matter, which was the subject of a recent article in the CL, the two would be "assasins" were going to Abraham's office to ostensibly sell Abraham a "gun" that Dr. Smith supposedly gave to them to carry out the crime, and that supposedly contained Dr. Smith's prints. The exchange of money for "gun" was reportedly arranged during a telephone call between the perpetrators and Abraham.

Thus, clearly, Abraham and the AG officers knew beforehand that the two perpetrators were coming to Abraham's office to sell Abraham the "gun". Thus, they knew that the two would be coming in the door with a gun, either with the intent to sell the "gun" or with the intent to kill Abraham (the supposed subject of the 7 month investigation). And they knew or should have known that the perpetrators might be wearing a disguise (the ski mask) in order to conceal their identity. So, the two perpetrators coming into the office with a gun in hand and wearing a disguise should not have been a shock, and surely, alone, should not have provoked a "gunfight". There must have been something more done on the part of the two perpetrators to indicate that they were not really there to sell the "gun", but to murder Abraham. So, what actually happened to trigger the gun battle will be very important in sorting all of this out.

My questions are as follows:

Was the "gun" to be sold the "assault weapon" that one of the perpetrators carried into the office? Was it loaded? Was it discharged? Who shot first? Were other weapons found in the possession of the perpetrators? Was the crime scene altered shortly after the incident? ---- I have read reports that repairs to the law office of Abraham were being made not very long after the incident ---including repairs of bullet hole damage. If I was an attorney assigned to defend the surviving perpetrator, I would be upset if physical evidence has been destroyed before a chance for experts to document every bullet hole found (for analysis of trajectory and locating from where guns were fired --to compare to witness accounts to make sure everything adds up), retrieval of every bullet fired (for ballistics testing), and impoundment of every weapon present at the scene fired and not fired. Is it possible that the two perpetrators actually were going to Abrahams office to sell the "gun" as planned, but an AG officer got jumpy and fired first, triggering the gunfight? At this point, I think anything is possible, without further evidence and knowledge from a full investigation of the matter.

This is not really a castle doctrine type of case. Why? Because the perpetrators were invited to Abraham's office when Abraham agreed to meet them there. Thus, technically, they were invitees, not trespassers. (Note:The civil law duty owed to an invitee is to provide a reasonably safe premises.) Since Abraham and the agents knew beforehand that they were coming, the only justification for deadly force in this instance would be for one of the perpetrators to have first fired a weapon or made some motion indicating an attempt to fire a weapon (like pointing the weapon). Their mere presence in the office, even wearing a ski mask and holding a weapon, would not be enough, because that was to be expected.

Also, I cannot fathom why the local police were not more involved in this ill conceived, covert ambush operation that went bad. With the assistance of the police department (and/or Sheriff's department), why not nab them outside before any confrontation inside? Or let them come in, find no one there, then nab them when they leave. I can think of numerous ways this could have potentially been handled without a "shootout" being necessary. We have law enforcement officers who are highly trained to handle circumstances just like these without unnecessary risk of bloodshed. The idea of waiting for them to enter with a gun, not really knowing their true intent, was ridiculously stupid, IMO. This is especially so considering there was reportedly a 7 months long investigation into a murder for hire plot against Abraham.

I wonder if all of us could expect assistance from the MS AG's office, in the form of them sending armed agents, if we were to call letting them know of a plot to kill us. Wouldn't they likely say to first seek help from local law enforcement? So, why is this case different? Was the Greenwood PD not to be trusted in this matter? What about the Sheriff's department? Was the Greenwood police or Sheriff's Department even informed of this scenario going down at Abraham's office prior to the "gunfight"?

Please do not misinterpret my questions. By asking them, I am not inferring that any law enforcement officer involved, did anything illegal....at least not at this point. Clearly the two perpetrators were in the wrong, regardless of the circumstances ---- they were either at Abraham's office attempting to murder someone, or attempting to engage in some type of illegal behavior by selling the "gun" ---- they put themselves in a very precarious position of high risk.

The reason for my questions is simply that this entire scenario is so bizarre --- you can't even make up schit like this. And from the outset, it seems that no one had their stories straight as to what really happened. For instance, it was originally reported in the newspaper, supposedly based upon statements from those involved in the gunfigjht, that the two perpetrators had called Abraham about a video tape that would incriminate Dr. Smith ....not a "gun" with Smith's fingerprints as later emerged. That is quite a big difference in the two stories, IMO. And from there, it just keeps getting more weird.

Yet another example of the bizarre: arresting the guy from Morgan City as a conspirator in the murder for hire plot, and holding him without bail, yet the prosecutors could not even locate the charging document when it was time for his initial court appearance/arraignment. That is incompetence with a capital "I". And it leads to the logical question of whether they even have any hard, provable evidence that the man from Morgan City is guilty of anything. After potentially slandering him in the newspaper with all of this, I hope that they really do have the evidence to support the charges, if and whenever made.

It will be very interesting to see how all of this shakes down, and whether the true facts of what actually happened are revealed.

There is just nothing like true life crime dramas from Greenwood. Someone compared this to an episode of "Justified". I don't know. I would say its like "Justified" on crack.

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:Was the crime scene altered shortly after the incident? ---- I have read reports that repairs to the law office of Abraham were being made not very long after the accident ---including repairs of bullet hole damage.

Yes. Middle of this week there was a construction garbage container parked in the front door of the law office. There is what looks from a far like sheet rock dust and rubble between the door and it. It was still there, with police tape, Friday when I left work.

ducman77 wrote:

Deltamud77 wrote:It is certainly interesting, Chevy. Let me provide background to my previous statements. Word I have heard is that the AGs Office and Lee Abraham knew of the murder for hire, knew who was supposedly going to kill him a couple of weeks before the event and were in place to take these two down when they showed up at Abraham's office.

IF THAT IS THE CASE....Big IF....then someone at the AGs office is going to have some explaining to do if pressed on the issue.

Not saying the would be assassins didn't have what was coming to them, just saying that if the LEOs knew their identity, it would have been more practical to have a warrant issued and make an arrest before all of this nonsense went down.

What is your law enforcement background?

A lawyer that has worked around/with law enforcement.

HaHa explains it all.

ducman77 wrote:HaHa explains it all.

Come again...

Bennie Thompson is getting involved him now after numerous complaints about the shooting.

Greenhead22 wrote:Bennie Thompson is getting involved him now after numerous complaints about the shooting.

oh, lawd....he's homeland security committee head isn't he?

I wonder why David Jordan and Willie Perkins have not been at these rallies.. Oh I forgot Dr. Smith is their largest campaign piggy bank.

Whats the latest

Found this on CL

http://www.clarionledger.com/videonetwo ... ood-doctor

DUCK-HUNT wrote:Whats the latest

Found this on CL

http://www.clarionledger.com/videonetwo ... ood-doctor

interesting.

interesting indeed.......
from that tape, doc smith is toast!
why would he video that though? did he not know the camera was on or what?

"I need proof........you have a cell phone don't you....take a picture of the hole between his effin' eyes"

eSJay wrote:interesting indeed.......
from that tape, doc smith is toast!
why would he video that though? did he not know the camera was on or what?

"I need proof........you have a cell phone don't you....take a picture of the hole between his effin' eyes"

He knew it...the beginning shows him adjusting it and closing the cabinet door to hide it before he let Byrd in the door...probably trying to make sure he could hold Byrd to the deal in case he was really part of the illuminati conspiracy

Hard to believe this guy is a Dr.
Seems kinds STUPID to me!

Kinda funny this has fallen off the radar.
I though about it as I passed Abraham on the road today.