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Postby crowder critter » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:46 am

Bglenut,

good post on the subject. I am pretty sure that you will not convince the nay sayers on here that dog hunting has a strategy and is a thought out process before the dogs are ever turned loose. I do not dog hunt myself, but I do love the opportunity to hear a good race. To each their own.
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Postby RebelYelp » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:30 pm

stitch wrote:
Bglenut wrote:A dog is another persons property if it has a collar on it and if caught killing a dog that is owned by someone you WILL pay a fine and sever jail time. (I KNOW BECAUSE I PUT SOMEONE IN JAIL FOR SHOOTING 2 OF MY BEAGLES AND THEY PAYED A HEAVY FINE TOO - I was not deer hunting, I was rabbit hunting, still the same outcome for the person.)



honest question.....what are the penalties for allowing dogs to go on private / posted land?


there is no protection for private landowner's on this subject, if jim bob cooter wants to run his dogs on your property, about the worst you can do is make him burn his gasoline to come pick them up...
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Postby MSDawg870 » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:06 pm

Shootin dogs??? Sounds like some of yal used to play QB for the Falcons :roll: :roll: :? :?

Running deer dogs is a time honored hunting tradition just like shooting decoying ducks while Lady Bird goes and fetches them up. I'd say most folks that run dogs don't intend to have them cross onto private property but schit happens. If dogs getting off track on your property is the worst thing that happens to you then, ITS GONNA BE AIGHT!!!

I'd rather hear a good race than hear a feeder go off anyday.
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Postby littlesmacko89 » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:39 pm

RebelYelp wrote:
stitch wrote:
Bglenut wrote:A dog is another persons property if it has a collar on it and if caught killing a dog that is owned by someone you WILL pay a fine and sever jail time. (I KNOW BECAUSE I PUT SOMEONE IN JAIL FOR SHOOTING 2 OF MY BEAGLES AND THEY PAYED A HEAVY FINE TOO - I was not deer hunting, I was rabbit hunting, still the same outcome for the person.)



honest question.....what are the penalties for allowing dogs to go on private / posted land?


there is no protection for private landowner's on this subject


well i will do one of three things if this happens and this is going to be my last post on the subject cause im tired of all the &@#! goin on so here are my three

shoot the deer so the dogs will stop and can be returned to the owners

catch the dogs and return to owner

or shoot both of them and toss the collar somewhere in attala county!!!!! end of story.............keep the dogs from runnin off your property or be ready for them to get shot

and personally i think since its your dog that ran on somebody elses property i think you could be charged for trespassing dont know but its your property that came over on someone elses property so idk im leaving it at that

what do i know im jus arguing with a brick wall that wont shut up so yall have fun :roll: :wink:
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Postby RebelYelp » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:54 pm

MSDawg870 wrote:Shootin dogs??? Sounds like some of yal used to play QB for the Falcons :roll: :roll: :? :?

Running deer dogs is a time honored hunting tradition just like shooting decoying ducks while Lady Bird goes and fetches them up. I'd say most folks that run dogs don't intend to have them cross onto private property but schit happens. If dogs getting off track on your property is the worst thing that happens to you then, ITS GONNA BE AIGHT!!!

I'd rather hear a good race than hear a feeder go off anyday.



you've got the same attitude that 90% of the dog hunters we run into have... "sorry, schit happens".... BS, line off the area you're going to hunt and stick to it, it's really not that difficult (and yes, i dog hunted quite a lot when i was younger).

"ITS GONNA BE AIGHT!!" ?? Many people spend VERY large sums of money on PRIVATE property to enhance the property for deer, turkeys, etc (food plots, timber thinnings, camphouses, gas, and the list goes on) only to have pack after pack after pack of dogs run across their property on a daily basis, ruining any semblance of a pressure-free environment, just so the "hunters" can hear the chase, get their truck stuck 15 times trying to cut the dogs off, turn out another 5 times, sneak 2 spikes off the national forest b/c they didn't identify what they were shooting, turn out again, oh schit it might help if we lined this 1000 acres off (only 2 hunters mind you), haul ass down the road in the 1977 Dodge (orange cab with blue bed of course)pick up 9 of their 15 and leave the other 6 for dust............ the truth is, that is what 90% of dog hunting for deer is now-days which is sad, VERY few of those that do dog hunt for deer follow any kind of ethics, which again, is sad..... and yes, again, i have dog hunted for deer quite a bit and still coon hunt every chance I get..

and just cause somebody still hunts instead of dog hunts doesn't mean they're sitting over a feeder...

hell, let's let the mutts get in your garbage every pickup day, after all, schit happens....


bottom line, i respect dog hunters and their "property" if they respect me and mine.......
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Postby Cotten » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:58 pm

I would speculate the vast majority of dog hunters know very well odds are high their dogs will end up on someone else’s land. We had two walkers come on to our property chasing deer Thursday morning. My brother comes over from Dallas and hunts with me after Christmas every year. He is younger than me by 10 years is not yet 35 and didn't grow up in the dog hunting era I did. He could not believe someone would be so inconsiderate or that it could even be legal for owners not to be responsible for the whereabouts of their dogs. He knows what my partners and I have invested in our land and asked “they can just ruin your still hunting like that?”

I called the owner and left a message. He called back saying they had dropped them off in the hills and didn't think they would go that far into the delta. Knowing the odds were high he was lying I told him where the dogs were and left it at that instead of asking "you really own walkers and did not know they would travel that far?"
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Postby Cotten » Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:00 pm

RebelYelp wrote:
MSDawg870 wrote:Shootin dogs??? Sounds like some of yal used to play QB for the Falcons :roll: :roll: :? :?

Running deer dogs is a time honored hunting tradition just like shooting decoying ducks while Lady Bird goes and fetches them up. I'd say most folks that run dogs don't intend to have them cross onto private property but schit happens. If dogs getting off track on your property is the worst thing that happens to you then, ITS GONNA BE AIGHT!!!

I'd rather hear a good race than hear a feeder go off anyday.



you've got the same attitude that 90% of the dog hunters we run into have... "sorry, schit happens".... BS, line off the area you're going to hunt and stick to it, it's really not that difficult (and yes, i dog hunted quite a lot when i was younger).

"ITS GONNA BE AIGHT!!" ?? Many people spend VERY large sums of money on PRIVATE property to enhance the property for deer, turkeys, etc (food plots, timber thinnings, camphouses, gas, and the list goes on) only to have pack after pack after pack of dogs run across their property on a daily basis, ruining any semblance of a pressure-free environment, just so the "hunters" can hear the chase, get their truck stuck 15 times trying to cut the dogs off, turn out another 5 times, sneak 2 spikes off the national forest b/c they didn't identify what they were shooting, turn out again, oh schit it might help if we lined this 1000 acres off (only 2 hunters mind you), haul !@# down the road in the 1977 Dodge (orange cab with blue bed of course)pick up 9 of their 15 and leave the other 6 for dust............ the truth is, that is what 90% of dog hunting for deer is now-days which is sad, VERY few of those that do dog hunt for deer follow any kind of ethics, which again, is sad..... and yes, again, i have dog hunted for deer quite a bit and still coon hunt every chance I get..

and just cause somebody still hunts instead of dog hunts doesn't mean they're sitting over a feeder...

hell, let's let the mutts get in your garbage every pickup day, after all, schit happens....



hehehe...Well said!
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Postby three11 » Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:42 pm

[quote="littlesmacko89"]
shoot both of them and toss the collar somewhere in attala county!!!!! end of story.............keep the dogs from runnin off your property or be ready for them to get shot

and personally i think since its your dog that ran on somebody elses property i think you could be charged for trespassing dont know but its your property that came over on someone elses property so idk im leaving it at that
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Aren't you the same guy that was on here crying because your dog got into someones garbage and they poisoned it?

If you are that same person, then you are being very hipocritical.


For what it's worth, I don't care for running dogs, but I don't believe in shooting a man's dogs. Suppose you were duck hunting and someone was hunting real close to you. If they crippled a duck and their dog chased it onto your property and was flaring ducks, are you going to execute him too?
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this is the worst

Postby jdbuckshot » Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:09 pm

this post is worse than "is poison really ethical?"
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Postby littlesmacko89 » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:42 pm

three11 wrote:
littlesmacko89 wrote:shoot both of them and toss the collar somewhere in attala county!!!!! end of story.............keep the dogs from runnin off your property or be ready for them to get shot

and personally i think since its your dog that ran on somebody elses property i think you could be charged for trespassing dont know but its your property that came over on someone elses property so idk im leaving it at that
quote]


Aren't you the same guy that was on here crying because your dog got into someones garbage and they poisoned it?

If you are that same person, then you are being very hipocritical.


For what it's worth, I don't care for running dogs, but I don't believe in shooting a man's dogs. Suppose you were duck hunting and someone was hunting real close to you. If they crippled a duck and their dog chased it onto your property and was flaring ducks, are you going to execute him too?


yea my dog did get poisoned and the guys are serving also.....but that is beside the point but yea chit does happen and well my dog are always off a leash cause we dont have 24/7 police protection and my dogs are my protection and he was roaming like a lab does but he was in the town and 99% of the town liked him but this one guy didnt dont know but anyways if i see a wounded duck get shot and it flew into my land i would let his dog come get it im not an "turd-cutter" like most people are but if im in a deer stand and a pack of dogs come by me my 30-06 semi is going to get unloaded quick idc whose they are!!!!!!! If you cant keep ur stubborn dogs off someone elses property then dont run them end of story...........a deer can run miles before stopping deer have 30 million gears they can hit and the dog will get tired before the deer does.........that is the worst thing i cant stand is when i hear a pack coming or jus hear them in the distance

but wutever and oh yea about my dog i told the guy that i would pick his garbage up if my dog got into it but instead he poisoned him but yea if im in a bad mood and a pack comes by then i will unload but if im in a good one then ill try to catch them so my fellow hunters dont get ticked off for somebody's dogs come runnin by them
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Postby Bigpoppa » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:27 am

People who run deer with dogs are putting the dogs in a dangerous situation. I think it is just plain wrong. Just my opinion. I would never ever shoot a dog but I agree with whoever said you are lucky the dogs didnt get shot! Dogs cant read posted signs or checks written out for high dollar leases. Keep the dogs in your lap or yard and out of the woods. My 2 cents
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Postby DUCK-HUNT » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:11 am

Funny thing happened yesterday afternoon. It started on public land with a group of dog hunters dropping the tailgate right by my brothers truck, I know its public land but have some respect for others... brother came out and went to go to my grandfathers lease to hunt only to have the same group of dog hunters lined the road with there dogs right in the middle of the cutover he was headed to. I mean what can you do? There is no law that protects the private landowner in this situation...... How sorrry is that? GUM BRANCH dogs beware !!!!!!
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Postby tombstone » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:10 am

don't really care to hunt deer with dogs, but ain't gonna shoot someones hunting dog though either. (fleabag mutt dogs with no collars running deer in my grassfield will be dealt with differently)

I do not wish to see hunting with dogs banned. I too think it is a tradition but wish that there would be more laws concerning tracking dogs and minimum land requirements enacted
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Postby quackhead04 » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:49 pm

i have been on both sides of this argument. for a long time I enjoyed to run deer with dogs more than any other type of deer hunting. However, as a i got older and wanted to kill bigger deer i got away from it because your chances are much better trying to kill a nice buck still hunting. I still enjoying going dog hunting every now and then. But back to this post, how many of you have ever had one of your dogs, or any pet for that matter, intentionally killed? how many have raised a dog from a puppy when you are a young boy and then have some "1% of the neighborhood guy" leave his collar hanging on the gate post. when we dog hunted we were either on 6000 ac. of leased land or at camp shelby and we never intentionally started a drive where there was a good possibility for the dogs to get out, but sometimes it does happen. everyone makes mistakes. we had many conversations with the guy who would kill a dog and hang his collar on the gate, told him we would do everything we could to keep the dogs off of his land, heck we didn't let dogs out on the south 1000 acres of our lease in an effort to keep them off but every once in a while one would get out, normally get out a different direction and head that way, and he would be waiting with his radio scanner and rifle to see where they were headed and next thing you know dead dog. i am by no means saying that purposely running dogs on private land is right, but when someone does make an effort and does come talk to you about it or you talk to them, how about a little kindness. everything would work out a little better with that. and i too have been the one sittin in a stand and have a pack of dogs run deer through my area or come right by me and I'm cussin them every breath. but next time i ask you to give their owner the benefit of the doubt, catch his dogs and have a conversation with him about it. And if that doesn't work, hey there is bad apples in every group, including still hunters, but that doesn't mean that their way of doing things is wrong and yours is right. Like i said before, a little kindness goes along way you might be surprised by the results you get.
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Postby jkb87 » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:21 pm

littlesmacko89 wrote:
RebelYelp wrote:
stitch wrote:
Bglenut wrote:A dog is another persons property if it has a collar on it and if caught killing a dog that is owned by someone you WILL pay a fine and sever jail time. (I KNOW BECAUSE I PUT SOMEONE IN JAIL FOR SHOOTING 2 OF MY BEAGLES AND THEY PAYED A HEAVY FINE TOO - I was not deer hunting, I was rabbit hunting, still the same outcome for the person.)



honest question.....what are the penalties for allowing dogs to go on private / posted land?


there is no protection for private landowner's on this subject


well i will do one of three things if this happens and this is going to be my last post on the subject cause im tired of all the &@#! goin on so here are my three

shoot the deer so the dogs will stop and can be returned to the owners

catch the dogs and return to owner

or shoot both of them and toss the collar somewhere in attala county!!!!! end of story.............keep the dogs from runnin off your property or be ready for them to get shot

and personally i think since its your dog that ran on somebody elses property i think you could be charged for trespassing dont know but its your property that came over on someone elses property so idk im leaving it at that

what do i know im jus arguing with a brick wall that wont shut up so yall have fun :roll: :wink:



please explain what one should do to keep their dogs from gettin on another property holder's land???? enlighten me please...... and charge someone with tresoassing for the dogs crossing lines??? explain that one too....... please do, explain how either is possible.....

not being a smart ass.... .but to me, neither make sense.... you cant hold a dog from running a deer into other property.... or how you can press charges..... what happens when your lab makes a blind run 250 yards and it ends up pickin the duck up on another property line? could someone press charges on you? should your lab know where the property line that does visually exist is?


yes, i use to run dogs, and no, i dont have a huge problem with it, seen it from both sides......
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