YAZOO PUMPS- HERE WE GO AGAIN

[MMallard]

Info...take it or leave it.

http://www.mvk.usace.army.mil/offices/pp/projects/ybrsummary/index.htm

[pntailhntr]

OK, that is entirely too much to sit there and read, but reading the first sections, it appears they will be adding a LOT of wetlands and reforestation with this program, if I'm reading it right. The only problem I see is them actually DOING that. Also. Why should it make that much of a difference for them to pump at 87 feet. They will shut off after 87 feet and the water will still be there. It seems to me, it will just be saving a lot of overly flooded land that doesn't need to be flooded and won't make any new wetlands from that anyway. I honestly don't really see all the major fuss?? I didnt' read the entire thing, so If I'm missing something, clue me and the other people who dont' really understand this thing in on what the deal is!!!!

[Po Monkey Lounger]

Someone, ANYONE, please point out to me and the rest of us some ACTUAL remediation performed and completed by the Corps on any project within the last 25 years or so.

Bueller? Beuller? Beuller? ............

Surely, its not top secret stuff.

[gator]

not top secret....................it's just, well, it don't exist monk.

class dismissed, gator

[MMallard]

Remediation meaning reforestation?

[BAY KINGFISHER]

the Corps wants to buy out most of our city and let it go back to nature, and then put a 40 ft high levee through the rest of town and I forgot about the wall they want to put up across Bay St. Louis to help stop the next Katrina.....the Corps is not held in high regards around these parts, they have scared the hell out of a lot of people with their proposed buy outs, So needles to say I dont support them one bit...no pumps...
PS I still like you mud(Note: as long as you keep South Pass open!!!hehe)

[TODO]

With "just two feet" in mind, I can't help but wonder how deeply the river has incised into it's channel since 1973 and the subsequent straightening-engineering that's been implemented since then. Another vote: against the pumps.

I know for a fact a few duck holes on the river that used to take 20 feet at arkansas city to make accessible take 25 feet now. Just imagine the volume of water coming down the river in a year, the dykes force it to continually dig the channel. Therefore, seems in order for a 73' type flood to occur, it would require more water than was actually present in '73. I have property on the unprotected side of the levee fronting the river and do the best i can. Everybody builds on stilts, to get above the 73 flood line. Will i get flooded eventually? Prolly so, but thats the consequence of building in a flood zone. Those pumps are a major cluster fluck at best and typical of the corps. And on a sidenote game lived in this part of the world for eons prior to any kind of flood control, nature has a way of working that out. My $.02, proceed.

[pntailhntr]

With "just two feet" in mind, I can't help but wonder how deeply the river has incised into it's channel since 1973 and the subsequent straightening-engineering that's been implemented since then. Another vote: against the pumps.

I know for a fact a few duck holes on the river that used to take 20 feet at arkansas city to make accessible take 25 feet now. Just imagine the volume of water coming down the river in a year, the dykes force it to continually dig the channel. Therefore, seems in order for a 73' type flood to occur, it would require more water than was actually present in '73. I have property on the unprotected side of the levee fronting the river and do the best i can. Everybody builds on stilts, to get above the 73 flood line. Will i get flooded eventually? Prolly so, but thats the consequence of building in a flood zone. Those pumps are a major cluster fluck at best and typical of the corps. And on a sidenote game lived in this part of the world for eons prior to any kind of flood control, nature has a way of working that out. My $.02, proceed.

Totally agree!!! and makes perfect sense. Looks like for a 73' flood to happen it would be totally catotstraphic to MANY more places than just the MS River!!!!

[Bully]

I am not defending the pumps, but I here a lot about the Corps and how terrible they are. Do you know about the good things that the Corps does? If not, I will fill you in. By the way, I work for the Corps, Mobile District, Construction Division.

[MSDawg870]

And on a sidenote game lived in this part of the world for eons prior to any kind of flood control, nature has a way of working that out.

Amen

[Po Monkey Lounger]

Beuller.....er Bully..... can you answer my question??

[BR549]

Yes game did survive before the levee systems were built. But with that in mind you didn't have all the channelization back then that you do now. The water couldn't get down here as fast therefore you didn't have the backwater that you have today. Not to mention you didn't have nowhere near the population of game back then as you do now either. Not to mention on less land! The height of the MS river in 1973 was not the problem. At the peak of the '73 flood the water was actually higher on the land side of the levee than it was on the river side. Exactly opposite of what it was suppose to be. The gates at Sunflower River and Steele Bayou were actually open at the peak of the flood. All the channelization and the building of the northern resevoirs was designed around the pumps being installed. Without them it just creates a sump with nowhere for the water to go. As far as land being set back out in timber most everything east of 61 from oil well road all the way to the diversion canal has been put back in trees. Don't know the acrerage but it's a lot! Like I said before most of Delta National is at or below 90 ft elevation. Most all the land that has been set back out in timber is too. If they cut the pumps on at 87 ft then maybe just maybe they could keep it below 90 to 95 ft elevation depending on the amount of rainfall we get. As far as draining the wetland this is not going to happen. It simply couldn't be done even if they tried. And as far as helping the ducks most of the high water comes in the spring of the year long after duck season is over anyhow. Besides why in the world would you want a hundrend plus thousand acres of grass and food underwater in an area you couldn't hunt anyway? All this land is private and unless you happen to be in one of the clubs on it or one of the landowners you couldn't hunt there anyway.

WE NEED THE PUMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BR549]

With "just two feet" in mind, I can't help but wonder how deeply the river has incised into it's channel since 1973 and the subsequent straightening-engineering that's been implemented since then. Another vote: against the pumps.

I know for a fact a few duck holes on the river that used to take 20 feet at arkansas city to make accessible take 25 feet now. Just imagine the volume of water coming down the river in a year, the dykes force it to continually dig the channel. Therefore, seems in order for a 73' type flood to occur, it would require more water than was actually present in '73. I have property on the unprotected side of the levee fronting the river and do the best i can. Everybody builds on stilts, to get above the 73 flood line. Will i get flooded eventually? Prolly so, but thats the consequence of building in a flood zone. Those pumps are a major cluster fluck at best and typical of the corps. And on a sidenote game lived in this part of the world for eons prior to any kind of flood control, nature has a way of working that out. My $.02, proceed.

Yea and I use to run thru prentiss bar dykes at anything over 18' feet to but not anymore! It's called silt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Bully]

Beuller.....er Bully..... can you answer my question??

No I can't. I asked if you know about any of the good things the Corps is doing, but I can tell that you do not care. You just want something to complain about. The reason I can't answer you question is because I work in Construction Division, not Civil Works. I help build buildings on military bases.

Once again, I am not defending the pumps. I just get tired of everyone bashing the COE when your opinion is based on work that is only half of what the organization does.

[MMallard]

Bully I can name a few efforts the COE has done to right things.

The COE mitigates for all its impacts and largely through reforestation.:
Mahannah, Twin Oaks, Lake George, Sky Lake to name a few and then Muscadine and Driftwood for moist soil mitigation. Thats appr 27K acres of public land that has been bought, reforested and maintained by the COE and managed for wildlife by the MDWFP. If you dig most every public land holding was bought for mitigation by one agancy or the other and provided to the public.