So you just basically agreed to everything I just said. Odd yur dander is up when you just repeted what I said.
Your statement " It's pretty arrogant to speculate that just because someone does not participate in the dog games that they don't have a well trained dog. " I never said that. Only thing I speculated is we don't have similar dogs. I speculated from taking your a wildrose junkie, your dogs and mine are not similar. By ms own admission, he doesn't breed for ht & ft work, and doesn't train for it. So if your a diehard follower, why would I speculate anything but that?
Your statement "You stated "you prefer a game grounded in hunting ability, with real birds and guns" I am glad you have found a game you enjoy to play, just keep in mind that not everyone that owns and trains a dog has the same sentiment." I belive I prefaced the entire point by saying exactly that, not everyone wants to play any game. And the point about guns and birds, was refering to a lot of games they don't have them, like the british game fair trials skuna wrote about, or other american venues without a gun in the handlers hands. Ya got to follow along a little better and it'll make more sense.
I never refered to you as an idiot, or tryed to make you out as such. Only wondered why the need to circle the wagons.
Why the breakneck pace. Thats a legimate question. All I can say is why not? If the dog can be progressed without holes in its training, why not the break neck pace? Espeically if someone is paying 400 bucks a month for training (or heck 700 bucks a month for the slower paced training). All dogs only live so long... every season in the field as a trained companion is maxmizing everything you bought the dog for. The only thing better that takes 3x as long & comes out signifcanlty better is bourbon. The only problem with the 'breakneck' pace is when people not committed bounce around, or when people that don't understand to read a dog decide the pace is more important than the dog. Either of these types where doomed to failure anyway... they are more likely to suceed given lower expectations and a program that focuses on not working (denials, and putting the dog up for corrections). That I already said was the best part of all of this for 'average' people. Face it, if your truely training everyday, by ANY means, your doing more than 95% of the dog owners on the face of the earth.
Your statement... My current dog was trained without Force fetch, without the E-collar and I can't tell a difference in his behavior over previous dogs that I have FF, and CC, other than the fact that I don't have to be concerned that if the collar is not charged and I can't burn the hell out of him when he decides to blow off a whistle. Apprently if thats all you got outta a collar when training previously, your probably better off training at a slower pace. Your current dog is probably as agood as your past... you probably spend a great deal more time, probably spend a great deal more time doing the right things and less time doing the wrong things, and keep moving forward even if at a slower pace. You've misteakenly credited the absecene of certain tools for YOUR sucess as a trainer. You've made your current dog as good as the past, with less tools at your disposal. Imagine if your next dog you use all the tools at your disposal, still spend the time, and take from all of your expereinces, and have the confidence in you, instead of someone else's preachings (me, or the mikes, or anybody else).... No I dont know you, but by your own admissions, you've become better at this and don't see it yourself. Ya can't be bragging, cause you didnt even realize it. travis (whose gonna get davidr to think before this is all over with! hehe)
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