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Aint but one thing major wrong with them shells, they will hang up in a gun. Wont load in my Benelli. They are about 1/8 to 3/16 longer than a standard 3" shell. Wonder who the design engineer was and what he was thinking about when he made them too long.

i've never had this problem and i shoot a 3.5" benelli

Cotten wrote: Where we hunt, if you cripple a duck Lean Mac could come back from the dead and not find it most of the time. I'm not sure there is anything tougher on a dog than buck brush. But seeing your Boy (or Gal) mark that bird down deep into buck brush, taking as straight a line as possible, climbing over and through that crap and hearing him turn around making that "swimming with a duck in his mouth sound" is about as good as it gets with a dog. But the duck better be where it fell or you are screwed most of the time.

I with you Cotten. We finally got enough water that those young enough to can work like hell and hunt a few button willow holes. The problem with the dog for us is these weeds with yellow flowers that have died and have some "bad news" forked barb seeds that cling to everything, including the dog. I noticed my dog favoring one eye, and spent 2 days trying to locate whatever it was in it. Finally after we got home last night the wife and I found one of those prickly forked seed barbs actually stuck in the inside of his eyelid (ouch!). My waders looked like I needed to shave my legs.

Buttonwillow cover is the toughest challenge you can put on a retriever - period.

I finally got to try some hevi-shot yesterday. Rebelduckaholic gave me one hevi-shot load to try out. I felt like Barney Fife. Anyway, first duck came in and decoyed pretty as cream. Smoked it. But, that same duck gets smoked with steel too. So...somebody else send me more than one dang bullet and I'll see what it does on some geese.

mottlet

But how does all this compute to the Turkey hunter who shoots HeviShot 40 yards without a second thought

Can the Enviro stuff do the same thing without worrying about crippling a bird or one flying off?

Hey Sunnylab, two different benellis and the Hevi_steel hung up in both. These were 3"ers. 3 1/2 might be different. dont know about that. As far as I am concerened about turkey loads, 3 1/2" winchester loads in my mossberg 835 at 40 yards, no brainer, even through light brush them copperplated pellets get them every time. Yeah I shot some Hevi-shot this weekend woodie hunting and did better than regular steel. But, still aint convinced that is the best way to go for me.

YOU CAN TELL WHO MAKES THE MONEY AROUND HERE,I'LL STICK TO THE STEEL

mott,

Get me on a good goose hunt and give you 3 of them.

BTW, did you ever talk to anybody at our alma mater and find out what they thought of the new defensive coordinator.

Pondman