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Anyone know anything about getting a Delta Waterfowl chapter started in Mississippi??? [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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Since my wife ordered a vacuum from Oreck, there is one upside for Mississippians---They are made in Long Beach, MS and ours was shipped to us from Long Beach to Gulfport. When my wife called the 800 number, the lady got a real kick out of it because the salesrep lived in Gulfport where we live. Things could be worse.
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Go to Delta's website and right on the front page is an article about starting a Delta Chapter. Here is the link to the site.
http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/index2.html
Go to Delta's website and right on the front page is an article about starting a Delta Chapter. Here is the link to the site.
http://www.deltawaterfowl.org/index2.html
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Here we go with the DU bashing again. Unfortunately, DU has become a creature of what many sportsmen have made it. Why the dog and pony shows are required to get people to contribute dollars to an organization whose mission is to preserve duck habitat is beyond me? The whats in it for me mentality appears to be the motivation of most waterfowlers. Right now, Delta Waterfowl is not heavily involved in banquets, corporate sponsorships, merchandise, etc., although it is moving in that direction. But, if you compare the dollars raised by DU to the dollars raised by Delta Waterfowl, DU's $$ are much greater.
If the dog and pony shows were not successful at raising funds, DU would not do it. Neither would Delta Waterfowl. Is a DU vacuum cleaner silly? You bet. Will it raise money for the ducks? Probably so.
DU and Delta have different missions: DU is primarily a conservation organization devoted to preserving waterfowl habitat. Delta is primarily a research organization.
Each are vitally important to the ducks.
Sending your DU dollars to Delta is not the answer. Waterfowlers should be contributing to both. If Delta did what DU does, then the transfer of dollars would make more sense. Working with DU to make changes to improve the organization is the best way to make positive changes for the ducks, at least until another organization comes along to duplicate the mission of DU. Publicly encouraging people not to contribute to DU is negative and does nothing to help the ducks.
If the dog and pony shows were not successful at raising funds, DU would not do it. Neither would Delta Waterfowl. Is a DU vacuum cleaner silly? You bet. Will it raise money for the ducks? Probably so.
DU and Delta have different missions: DU is primarily a conservation organization devoted to preserving waterfowl habitat. Delta is primarily a research organization.
Each are vitally important to the ducks.
Sending your DU dollars to Delta is not the answer. Waterfowlers should be contributing to both. If Delta did what DU does, then the transfer of dollars would make more sense. Working with DU to make changes to improve the organization is the best way to make positive changes for the ducks, at least until another organization comes along to duplicate the mission of DU. Publicly encouraging people not to contribute to DU is negative and does nothing to help the ducks.
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Ole Bufflehead, I hear ya, I know what you mean, but...have you ever tried "working with DU to improve the organization"? With all due respect, It looks like that ain't gonna happen....
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Got word from a fund-raiser who works full-time for DU the other day they are feeling the seriousness of their mistake. Income has dropped considerably. I'm looking for a massive PR campaign this year.
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Model12, you an others should know that DU is a volunteer driven organization, without which it could not function and still allocate the high percentage of dollars raised directly to conservation projects. Each local chapter has a lot of autonomy in how the fund raising efforts are carried out, within some broad guidelines from DU. Thus, the local committees have alot of control and can do what is best for their particular area. Anyone willing to put their time where ther mouth is can get involved within the administration of DU, by attending state meetings, regional meetings, etc. where policies are discussed. If for instance , you took offense to DU's perhaps overzealous efforts to help the ducks through additional CRP and WRP money in the recent farm bill lobbying effort by DU (which arguably would tranfer commodity subsidies from some farmers to these conservation programs and would hurt some farmers), you could bring up the issue at such meetings and state your position on the same. Even simpler, one could write or e-mail the head of DU, whose home office is located in Memphis, TN, and let him know of your concerns.
Doing volunteer work for any charitable organization in a fund raising capacity is tough work --- at least for someone like me, it does not come natural to ask people for money. Contributing serious $$$ or time to DU every year is not easy either for most folks. That is why it is soooo easy to grab a hold of some complaint, whatever it is, and use it as an excuse not to do what needs to be done. It is the easy way out, the path of least resistance. Hopefully, when the droughts in the breeding grounds return, and it will, and the duck numbers decline, DU will still be around saving and preserving habitat. The research by Delta is geat, and needed, but ducks don't breed, rest, or eat in a laboratory.
Just some food for thought before some of you get too carried away with the DU bashing. DU has been such a positive influence and made such a difference in the past years with respect to preserving the resource that fuels our obsession, that it certainly deserves a little patience and even a "second chance" , if you will, to get the ship righted again.
[BTW, the controversial amendment to the farm bill is now dead in the water. The farm bill passed by the house includes the direct crop subsidies to the certain farmers as originally proposed. ]
Doing volunteer work for any charitable organization in a fund raising capacity is tough work --- at least for someone like me, it does not come natural to ask people for money. Contributing serious $$$ or time to DU every year is not easy either for most folks. That is why it is soooo easy to grab a hold of some complaint, whatever it is, and use it as an excuse not to do what needs to be done. It is the easy way out, the path of least resistance. Hopefully, when the droughts in the breeding grounds return, and it will, and the duck numbers decline, DU will still be around saving and preserving habitat. The research by Delta is geat, and needed, but ducks don't breed, rest, or eat in a laboratory.
Just some food for thought before some of you get too carried away with the DU bashing. DU has been such a positive influence and made such a difference in the past years with respect to preserving the resource that fuels our obsession, that it certainly deserves a little patience and even a "second chance" , if you will, to get the ship righted again.
[BTW, the controversial amendment to the farm bill is now dead in the water. The farm bill passed by the house includes the direct crop subsidies to the certain farmers as originally proposed. ]
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In todays world perception is everything...
DU simply needs to take of the kaki pants and put on a pair of jeans!!!
DU simply needs to take of the kaki pants and put on a pair of jeans!!!
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I am not "attacking" anything or anyone. I am a proud memeber of Delta Waterfowl as well as DU. I have no "chosen" group. To my knowledge, from the periodicals and information I have received from Delta Waterfowl, Delta's activities related to predator management, etc. do not involve anywhere close to the number of total acres involved in DU related conservation projects. That is not a slam on Delta, it is just a reflection of their different missions.
If Delta's mission includes what DU does and overlaps or consumes DU's mission, and Delta can do it better, then more power to Delta Waterfowl. I hope this organization becomes all that it can be --I'll even contribute my time as well as my dollars. I just have not personally seen much of a Delta presence in any local projects in MS yet. Maybe there is currently a strong presence and you can enlighten us all.
I personally do not understand your constant slamming of anyone who tries to defend DU. You seem to have such a burr under your butt about DU, that you totally ignore anything DU does that helps the ducks. As I've told you before, I have no agenda, I receive no money from DU, I am just for the ducks. I love duck hunting and want to be able to continue duck hunting until I am old and gray; and I want the same opportunities for my son and hopefully future grandchildren.
IMO, and this is just my opinion, it is one thing to get mad at a particular organization for some personal reason and show your displeasure by not supporting it. It is quite another to use that reason to encourage others not to support that organization. The ultimate result is one that is negative for the ducks.
This will be my last post on this subject of DU, etc. I am not going to argue with any of you about this any more. I guess everyone just needs to decide for themselves what is right for them and go and do the right thing. I'll shut up now.
If Delta's mission includes what DU does and overlaps or consumes DU's mission, and Delta can do it better, then more power to Delta Waterfowl. I hope this organization becomes all that it can be --I'll even contribute my time as well as my dollars. I just have not personally seen much of a Delta presence in any local projects in MS yet. Maybe there is currently a strong presence and you can enlighten us all.
I personally do not understand your constant slamming of anyone who tries to defend DU. You seem to have such a burr under your butt about DU, that you totally ignore anything DU does that helps the ducks. As I've told you before, I have no agenda, I receive no money from DU, I am just for the ducks. I love duck hunting and want to be able to continue duck hunting until I am old and gray; and I want the same opportunities for my son and hopefully future grandchildren.
IMO, and this is just my opinion, it is one thing to get mad at a particular organization for some personal reason and show your displeasure by not supporting it. It is quite another to use that reason to encourage others not to support that organization. The ultimate result is one that is negative for the ducks.
This will be my last post on this subject of DU, etc. I am not going to argue with any of you about this any more. I guess everyone just needs to decide for themselves what is right for them and go and do the right thing. I'll shut up now.
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Every duck hunter contributes in some way to the betterment of the ducks. Through the purchase of stamps, guns, ammo, and ect. portions of the sales go to different projects around the country. For many people including myself it is the commercial nature of DU that is a problem.
Example, before the DU logo was stamped on certain products;prices were abit lower. Winchester shells are just that with or without the DU logo. Only difference is when that logo is applied you pay more and in a sense your personal contribution just increased without your consent. DU is to duck hunting what Eddie Bauer is to Fordexplorers...Image and nothing more. I think a lot of people will agree that it's this commercialization that has in part contributed to the massive increase in overnight duck hunters. This in turn leads to post after post about the over crowding of public hunting land and skybusting, ect.ect..Some just don't like the image they(DU) project and we all know who we are.
Example, before the DU logo was stamped on certain products;prices were abit lower. Winchester shells are just that with or without the DU logo. Only difference is when that logo is applied you pay more and in a sense your personal contribution just increased without your consent. DU is to duck hunting what Eddie Bauer is to Fordexplorers...Image and nothing more. I think a lot of people will agree that it's this commercialization that has in part contributed to the massive increase in overnight duck hunters. This in turn leads to post after post about the over crowding of public hunting land and skybusting, ect.ect..Some just don't like the image they(DU) project and we all know who we are.
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Oh and I'm not slamming Ducks Unlimited at all. I just think they need to be just as hunter oriented as they are Duck oriented..and stop putting their name on every damn product known to man because buying gear for duck hunting is expensive enough without them. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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OB, you say you are a proud member of delta, and while I dont dispute that, I wonder if you simply like seeing those quaterly reports they send out on your coffee table. You havent spent much time reading them if you'd make a statement that ducks don't breed in labatories.
Since when does biggest mean best? The smaller an organzation is, the bigger difference you can make to it. The 300 bucks a year I spend with delta grows ducks, the same 300 with du? I don't know, maybe mine got spent on ducks, maybe it got spent to save snail darters.
Mission statements? You REALLY want to bring that up? Ok, hows this for a mission. DU's mission doesnt say a thing about you or me hunting ducks. Or growing ducks. Their mission is conserve habitat. Period. Thats it. They wont stand up for you or me as a hunter, anymore than they care if they actually grow ducks. Ever wonder why they never say, we grew X numbers of ducks? Or we wintered X number of ducks? No. But they can flat ass tell you how many bucks they rasied, and how much habitat they 'saved'. Delta Waterfowls mission statement includes the hunter, and managing waterfowl. Billing them as simply a predator control outfit is shorting them, predator control simply brought them to light, as an organization that doesnt have a pc care in the world, they are only in it for the ducks. Not the habitat, the ducks brother.
No MS delta waterfowl projects? Sure. I'll give you that. Watch and see another 5 years of growth like they have had. Most of the projects Du is given credit on now are local folks, with government money, and du putting it together. With current feelings the way they are, you'll see what you asked for soon enough. Course they arent going to spend bucks on rich folks hunting grounds for the sake of saying they 'saved' more habitat, so the numbers wont be there, but the effect will be. Watch and see.
Burr on my butt? Hmmm. Maybe. Of course, remember, I never said anything, until your ducks dont breed in labatories comment. Maybe I just like keeping folks honest, and calling bs when i see it. travis
Since when does biggest mean best? The smaller an organzation is, the bigger difference you can make to it. The 300 bucks a year I spend with delta grows ducks, the same 300 with du? I don't know, maybe mine got spent on ducks, maybe it got spent to save snail darters.
Mission statements? You REALLY want to bring that up? Ok, hows this for a mission. DU's mission doesnt say a thing about you or me hunting ducks. Or growing ducks. Their mission is conserve habitat. Period. Thats it. They wont stand up for you or me as a hunter, anymore than they care if they actually grow ducks. Ever wonder why they never say, we grew X numbers of ducks? Or we wintered X number of ducks? No. But they can flat ass tell you how many bucks they rasied, and how much habitat they 'saved'. Delta Waterfowls mission statement includes the hunter, and managing waterfowl. Billing them as simply a predator control outfit is shorting them, predator control simply brought them to light, as an organization that doesnt have a pc care in the world, they are only in it for the ducks. Not the habitat, the ducks brother.
No MS delta waterfowl projects? Sure. I'll give you that. Watch and see another 5 years of growth like they have had. Most of the projects Du is given credit on now are local folks, with government money, and du putting it together. With current feelings the way they are, you'll see what you asked for soon enough. Course they arent going to spend bucks on rich folks hunting grounds for the sake of saying they 'saved' more habitat, so the numbers wont be there, but the effect will be. Watch and see.
Burr on my butt? Hmmm. Maybe. Of course, remember, I never said anything, until your ducks dont breed in labatories comment. Maybe I just like keeping folks honest, and calling bs when i see it. travis
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Hmmmmmmm, anyone else in here smell $#!+?
OB wrote- Hopefully, when the droughts in the breeding grounds return, and it will, and the duck numbers decline, DU will still be around saving and preserving habitat. The research by Delta is geat, and needed, but ducks don't breed, rest, or eat in a laboratory.
Drought WILL return. And ducks WILL go down. Those I will give you. But what does that have to do with your next statement? Over 90% of ducks are grown on private land. I'll spend my money MAXIMIZING production, thankyouverymuch, on those lands. Ducks do breed, rest, and eat in Delta's labatories, in fact at a much higher percentage in their labatories than anywhere else. OB, please send me an email with your address, I'd love to send you the last couple of Delta Waterfowl reports to show your their labatories. They're a lot like du projects except 1) they all benfeit waterfowl 2) they all produce waterfowl, not feed skunks and foxes 3) they dont have a band of idiots producing a sat morning tv show in the background.
You claim in your post before that its negative to ask people in public to not give to YOUR choosen group, then your very next post, you make a halfassed statement like that. Shame on you OB. I could always expect you to be at least fair to your word in the past, even when you where wrong. Now you have gone from trying to defend something you belive to attacking something you don't know. travis
OB wrote- Hopefully, when the droughts in the breeding grounds return, and it will, and the duck numbers decline, DU will still be around saving and preserving habitat. The research by Delta is geat, and needed, but ducks don't breed, rest, or eat in a laboratory.
Drought WILL return. And ducks WILL go down. Those I will give you. But what does that have to do with your next statement? Over 90% of ducks are grown on private land. I'll spend my money MAXIMIZING production, thankyouverymuch, on those lands. Ducks do breed, rest, and eat in Delta's labatories, in fact at a much higher percentage in their labatories than anywhere else. OB, please send me an email with your address, I'd love to send you the last couple of Delta Waterfowl reports to show your their labatories. They're a lot like du projects except 1) they all benfeit waterfowl 2) they all produce waterfowl, not feed skunks and foxes 3) they dont have a band of idiots producing a sat morning tv show in the background.
You claim in your post before that its negative to ask people in public to not give to YOUR choosen group, then your very next post, you make a halfassed statement like that. Shame on you OB. I could always expect you to be at least fair to your word in the past, even when you where wrong. Now you have gone from trying to defend something you belive to attacking something you don't know. travis
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I have to ask one question here. If we all pulled out of DU and they folded, what would happen to all that they have done? My thinking here is that the projects dont maintain themselves. Just wondering aloud
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