Sociology

[Wingman]

Sorry, Beastmaster, I didn't mean to cut you by calling you Beastieboy.

Lower 14, I don't know how to explain to you why it matters, it just does. However, I certainly believe that dinosaurs existed.

Okay, I'm off to eat a banana and search for lice in my wife's hair. There won't be much time for making that leaf-nest before dark so I gotta go.

[Ducks be us]

I came from that I will believe UFO's dropped me off first

[Dog's Eye]

If evolution theories were correct, you didn't come from apes. You share a common ancestor with apes.

[BeastMaster]

whenever i have talked to devout religious people "preachers" the first thing i say about evolution is i destinguish between A: evolution as it pertains to where humans came from and C: living organisms evolve over time

people tend to stop listening when you start talking about primordial soup/big bang/apes into humans etc.... forget all that for now

cajun squealer Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject:

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If you buy into all the carbon 14 dating "gazillion-bazillon and two years old" mumbo jumbo, you've been decieved. Research it and you'll find that this method of dating is highly inconsistent and inaccurate.

Oh, the foolishness of worldly wisdom...

for one second lets consider your statement to be "consistent and accurate" lets ASSUME for one second that a fossil which is found to be 200,000,000 yrs old = 200 million yrs old..... lets assume also that carbon dating to be only 5% accurate... lets say the guy was drunk and high when he tested it and that the fossil was only 10 million yrs old.... which is a 95% off in accuracy.... according to the bible the earth is only 7000 or so yrs old..... so at its worst inconsistencies and inaccuracies i don't think carbon dating could possibly be that far off.... do you agree

Wingman Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:43 am Post subject:

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Yeah, Beastieboy, I've been through formal learnin', made pretty good grades too.

But I didn't evolve from a knuckle-dragging gorilla like my Zoo professor said I did.

i will say again.... forget evolution as being a theory of where man came from.. think of it as an idea of how nature adapts... if you go back and look at my earlier posts i've said several times that i am indifferent on where i came from but to deny that "evolution" is not occuring right now everyday is absurd and in complete denial...

wingman do you believe the earth is only 7000 years old as the bible scholars would have you believe?

if you say yes then that means you do not believe that the remains of animals that lived millions of years ever existed... NO DINOSAURS

if you say yes then explain what creatures we are finding b/c you must not also believe in evolution but if the earth is only 7000 years old and nothing evolves all the animals today are the exact same as they were when god created them but the bones we find look nothing like what is living today? horses today look the same as the day horses were "created" yet we have the bones of horses that were the predaccesor to today's horse. how is that?

im not trying to change your mind. i'm trying to understand why you think the way you do... you are not alone and i'm not saying you are dumb or even wrong, i simply disagree and want to understand why.

[bolivarduck]

Ok, now to get more discussion started...

If you believe that we were created by God instantly then why would he have us live off of his other creatures that he created (deer, ducks, etc...). I don't want to say I don't or do believe this... its only a thought. I would believe that if this was true then he would have created only one race (without evolution- because after all, we would have been perfect) and would not need nurishment as we do now. It sure would help the millions who didn't have a big dinner as all of us did tonight!

Now, allong the lines of evolution- take a look at the people of 100 or 200 years ago. Go to a Cival War park and look at the build of a person from that time (clothing). They were a lot smaller. Look at basketball players now- they are looking past the 7' mark now when 30 years ago 6' something was a big deal! How do you explain this if its not evolution?

Well, did I get my 2 cents in and get something going again?

[Wingman]

If you believe that we were created by God instantly then why would he have us live off of his other creatures that he created (deer, ducks, etc...). I don't want to say I don't or do believe this... its only a thought. I would believe that if this was true then he would have created only one race (without evolution- because after all, we would have been perfect) and would not need nurishment as we do now. It sure would help the millions who didn't have a big dinner as all of us did tonight!

Garden..of..Eden. Read the book of Genesis and you'll find alot of answers to your questions. The forbidden fruit, Cain killing Abel, the flood and so on.

wingman do you believe the earth is only 7000 years old as the bible scholars would have you believe?

I believe that about 8000 years have passed since Creation. I believe dinosaurs were real. I don't believe dinosaurs are millions of years old. In fact, I have always been fascinated with dinosaurs and have often wondered if they were on the Ark. I believe scientists don't have all of the answers but one day will. I also know for fact that I don't have all of the answers and I won't pretend I do.

The "scientists" of the day once thought the earth was flat. They once thought malaria came from "bad air" and they once believed that a man's body couldn't survive at speeds over 20 mph. They found out later that those beliefs were false.

Sounds to me like your "evolution" is my word for "adaptation". But I surely don't believe man came from an ape or a fish or a amoeba.

I like good, clean, thoughtful debate.

[BeastMaster]

wingman, you believe the earth is 8000 yrs old.. check on that number more like 7000 according to the bible scholars but.... and you believe in dinosaurs.... so how long did the "dinosaurs" live... were they on earth for 1000 yrs? and along those lines, were the dino's walking around with early man? you know anything about plate tectonics... why are there sharks teeth in north MS.... was it in the ocean at one time.. how long ago? was it underwater while the indians were walking around... the sea fossils found in the rockies, was it underwater at one time as well... ???

i'm not making fun of you but i think it humorous to hear someone say they think the earth is only 7-8k yrs old while at the same time believing in dino's ??

if you believe in adaptation you believe that things evolve, not neccesarily that we "evolved" from ape....

[Wingman]

why are there sharks teeth in north MS.... was it in the ocean at one time.. how long ago?

the sea fossils found in the rockies, was it underwater at one time as well... ???

Yep, the whole earth was underwater at one time.

Genesis 7:
11-12
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

17-21
For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth and the ark floated on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. Every living thing that moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth and all mankind.

24
The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

8:3-5
The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. The waters continued to recede until the tenth month and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.

13-14
By the first day of the first month of Noah's six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry. By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry.

Pretty cool, huh?

[BeastMaster]

rofl.... ok i can accept that.. i disagree.... yes i know what Genesis says.... look at the bottom of this post.

and the dino's ? were they walking around with man 7000 yrs ago?

[mudsucker]

OR. were they land sharks like on SNL? Think about it!

[Wingman]

and the dino's ? were they walking around with man 7000 yrs ago?

I have no clue. The Bible doesn't mention anything about "dinosaurs" but from what Genesis says, I would have to think they did.

Haven't you ever watched Land of the Lost?

[BeastMaster]

im not trying to disprove GOD...... i am a christian.... but the bible leaves things open for interpretation... you say you believe in dino's.... post the verses in the Bible where dino's are mentioned.....
before this goes any further let me say this.... you win.... you know why you win.. b/c of FAITH.... GOD said it was so and thats all there is to it... i can't argue with that... and all you have is FAITH... no facts... none... i can't win against that... i'm not trying to win... i'm just looking for an explaination.

how can you not agree with the fact that we have human bones 20,000 yrs old? how can you not agree with fossils that are millions of years old?
because thats not what the bible says.. if that is all you can come up with then lead on blind man.....

[Wingman]

how can you not agree with the fact that we have human bones 20,000 yrs old? how can you not agree with fossils that are millions of years old?

Prove it. Beyond any shadow of a doubt, prove that they are as old as you say they are.

We can't! Somebody invented some aging method and said "they're 15 billion years old" so they put that in a book and now it's "fact".

if that is all you can come up with then lead on blind man

Just call me Ray Charles!

I could be wrong, no doubt about it. But I won't lose sleep over worrying about how old a pteradactyl drumstick is.

I don't want to turn this into a fight so I'll let this be my last post.

[mudsucker]

Amen Wingy!

[BAY KINGFISHER]

Just a thought, how long do we know a day was back during biblical times, the bible was wrote from stories passed down, so how can we hold todays interpretation of time to the stories written in the bible, there a lot of variables left open to interpretation, so why not time too, maybe a day was 1000 years who knows, I just know that I dont get caught up with trying to proove or disproove my faith, I am pretty secure with my choice, evolution or not, I dont care, kind ok like the pilgrims to Medjgoria (SP) or peopl going to see bleeding statues, I dont need to do it, just spend a day in the duck blind or a deer stand, thats proof og God enough for me, evolution or what not, I really dont care,