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tombstone wrote:IF a muslim does not want to sell pork he does not have to. If a baker does not want to sell a cake he should not have to. If a person has a pecker he should go to the men's bathroom. IF you can't understand something so simple, you are part of the problem.

But what about a gay homosexual man using the same bathroom as your pre-pubescent or teenage son? Is that okay?

tombstone wrote:IF a muslim does not want to sell pork he does not have to. If a baker does not want to sell a cake he should not have to. If a person has a pecker he should go to the men's bathroom.

This is my way of thinking.



Also, Haven't I've seen signs in random businesses forever that state something like:

We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone

Is this really a right or are these signs just a gag joke for customers to stare at while they're waiting in line at the bakery?

tombstone wrote:IF a muslim does not want to sell pork he does not have to. If a baker does not want to sell a cake he should not have to. If a person has a pecker he should go to the men's bathroom. IF you can't understand something so simple, you are part of the problem.

This!!

gps4 wrote:But what about a gay homosexual man using the same bathroom as your pre-pubescent or teenage son? Is that okay?

No, no it is not. And I have the right to go to places that don't server them or they don't frequent.

What about the widespread "discrimination" against legally licensed gun carriers? We have all seen signs prohibiting guns in various businesses and other public buildings. Why is there no outcry against a blatant violation of our Second Amendment rights, which are some of the most sacred protections under the laws of the United States?

Hambone wrote:What about the widespread "discrimination" against legally licensed gun carriers? We have all seen signs prohibiting guns in various businesses and other public buildings. Why is there no outcry against a blatant violation of our Second Amendment rights, which are some of the most sacred protections under the laws of the United States?

Because, as the saying goes, your rights end at the other guys nose. If Business Owner Bob doesn't want guns in his establishment, that is his right. Short of prohibiting entrance by law enforcement in the proper performance of their legal duties, he can ban all guns from his place of business if he so desires.

If actions such as this offend you, then simply take your business elsewhere. As for the ban from public buildings, that is a matter for public policy. For that I suggest you contact your elected representatives.

just gonna leave this here to add more fodder for our friendly discussion....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2535150

jacksbuddy wrote:

Hambone wrote:What about the widespread "discrimination" against legally licensed gun carriers? We have all seen signs prohibiting guns in various businesses and other public buildings. Why is there no outcry against a blatant violation of our Second Amendment rights, which are some of the most sacred protections under the laws of the United States?

Because, as the saying goes, your rights end at the other guys nose. If Business Owner Bob doesn't want guns in his establishment, that is his right. Short of prohibiting entrance by law enforcement in the proper performance of their legal duties, he can ban all guns from his place of business if he so desires.

If actions such as this offend you, then simply take your business elsewhere. As for the ban from public buildings, that is a matter for public policy. For that I suggest you contact your elected representatives.

To be clear, in my first comment, I was pointing out the selective outrage of those who are protesting HB 1523. I completely agree with your statement that "if actions such as this offend you, then simply take your business elsewhere."

gps4 wrote:just gonna leave this here to add more fodder for our friendly discussion....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2535150

So here in Mississippi, if a woman in that bathroom felt threatened and shot and killed this man, would she be justified?

I own my on business and the way I see it is this.

There money is green and pays my bills just as anyone else's money. I don't agree with what they do behind closed doors. I would hope they would have enough respect for me like I do for them and not act out of place around me. I know not all will. There is only one person who is gonna be the true judge.

I have done work for both gay and lesbian couples and I can say this. There checks have never bounced so I will still do work for them.

turkeyman wrote:I own my on business and the way I see it is this.

There money is green and pays my bills just as anyone else's money. I don't agree with what they do behind closed doors. I would hope they would have enough respect for me like I do for them and not act out of place around me. I know not all will. There is only one person who is gonna be the true judge.

I have done work for both gay and lesbian couples and I can say this. There checks have never bounced so I will still do work for them.

What type of work is this turkeyman?

teul2 wrote:

gps4 wrote:just gonna leave this here to add more fodder for our friendly discussion....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2535150

So here in Mississippi, if a woman in that bathroom felt threatened and shot and killed this man, would she be justified?

Probably depends on what the dude did to make her feel threatened. Are we assuming that the woman in the bathroom had a reasonable belief of serious bodily injury or death? Dude walks in, steps in his stall, closes the door, drops trou and takes a slam...probably not justified.

Dude walks up to a locker, minds his business, disrobes and changes into his gym clothes, makes no remarks threatening sexual or violent acts towards the woman, probably not justified.

Would a heterosexual male be justified in shooting a gay homosexual male in the bathroom or locker room if he felt threatened by the homosexual because the homosexual did the same thing that the guy in your hypothetical did?

teul2 wrote:

gps4 wrote:just gonna leave this here to add more fodder for our friendly discussion....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2535150

So here in Mississippi, if a woman in that bathroom felt threatened and shot and killed this man, would she be justified?

In this particular instance, she probably would not be justified. The dude in question expressly did this to test the boundaries of the law, everyone knew this, and nobody was arrested. Now if Dude Degenerate had tried something and the armed woman felt threatened, then absolutely. That is a different matter entirely.

Now here's my question. How fast will this particular law be repealed? Remember, the dude went back into the locker room later when young girls were changing for swimming practice. I don't know about people in Washington state, but justified or not; if any dude goes into the same locker room as my little girl, he and I are gonna have a very serious confrontation. I will win.

Smoke68 wrote:

turkeyman wrote:I own my on business and the way I see it is this.

There money is green and pays my bills just as anyone else's money. I don't agree with what they do behind closed doors. I would hope they would have enough respect for me like I do for them and not act out of place around me. I know not all will. There is only one person who is gonna be the true judge.

I have done work for both gay and lesbian couples and I can say this. There checks have never bounced so I will still do work for them.

What type of work is this turkeyman?

Painting and remodeling

jacksbuddy wrote:

teul2 wrote:

gps4 wrote:just gonna leave this here to add more fodder for our friendly discussion....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2535150

So here in Mississippi, if a woman in that bathroom felt threatened and shot and killed this man, would she be justified?

In this particular instance, she probably would not be justified. The dude in question expressly did this to test the boundaries of the law, everyone knew this, and nobody was arrested. Now if Dude Degenerate had tried something and the armed woman felt threatened, then absolutely. That is a different matter entirely.

Now here's my question. How fast will this particular law be repealed? Remember, the dude went back into the locker room later when young girls were changing for swimming practice. I don't know about people in Washington state, but justified or not; if any dude goes into the same locker room as my little girl, he and I are gonna have a very serious confrontation. I will win.

exzacare, and if I was one of the twelve, acquittal all day long

gps4 wrote:

teul2 wrote:

gps4 wrote:just gonna leave this here to add more fodder for our friendly discussion....

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2535150

So here in Mississippi, if a woman in that bathroom felt threatened and shot and killed this man, would she be justified?

Probably depends on what the dude did to make her feel threatened. Are we assuming that the woman in the bathroom had a reasonable belief of serious bodily injury or death? Dude walks in, steps in his stall, closes the door, drops trou and takes a slam...probably not justified.

Dude walks up to a locker, minds his business, disrobes and changes into his gym clothes, makes no remarks threatening sexual or violent acts towards the woman, probably not justified.

Would a heterosexual male be justified in shooting a gay homosexual male in the bathroom or locker room if he felt threatened by the homosexual because the homosexual did the same thing that the guy in your hypothetical did?

See, i think you're dancing around the gist of the situation. I saw none of those scenarios detailed in the article. As I took it, a man walks into a women's bathroom full of women, and starts to disrobe. My wife would have had him in the sights right there. The thought being that this man is coming into the bathroom to commit a rape as evidenced by his disrobing. No one was targeted, at least not yet in this scenario. But what other reasoning does he have?

In all honesty, there has to be other evidence.
1. What does the guy look like (yes we all profile)? Clean cut, well dressed, he may get a few more seconds of observation before the trigger pull. Scruffy and homeless looking, he's going to be staring down the barrel.

2. Does he have a gym bag? By this I mean a big nike swoosh logoed gym bag, not a vietnam era GI issued canvas duffle with blood stains on it. Gym bag gets him the same few more seconds being clean cut does. The later gets him a look at the gun again.