Initiative 42

[dukluk]

In a nutshell.....we have spent entirely enough on public education in MS....and, absolutely NOTHING has improved over the last 10-20 years....we are still on the bottom rung, and that fact is NOT going to change, I don't care HOW much money is thrown at the situation.
Every public school student has already been GIVEN very expensive laptops and/or ipads, along with every opportunity to learn and excel....more tax payer money is NOT going to improve things.
I'm NOT addressing all teachers, nor all students, here, but it's not a money problem....it's a desire to learn problem.



VOTE NO ON #42 !!!!!

[msbigdawg1234]

As for the Clinton school district yall have prob the highest paid sup in the state and at least over the last 6 yrs I haven't known of a raise to any teachers but has gone to admin.

[Natty]

Ol' Bennie T was repping 42 last night on WLBT along with some of his constituents saying "all children should have the same chance regardless of zipcode". That's about all I need to know to determine how I will vote.

[peewee]

As for the Clinton school district yall have prob the highest paid sup in the state and at least over the last 6 yrs I haven't known of a raise to any teachers but has gone to admin.

I only personally know one teacher and she has recieved a raise but that may be due to her being somewhat new to the District.

[Deltamud77]

Ol' Bennie T was repping 42 last night on WLBT along with some of his constituents saying "all children should have the same chance regardless of zipcode". That's about all I need to know to determine how I will vote.

Just coming here to post this...if anyone on this board actually agrees with anything that comes from Bennie Thompson's mouth, then you need to leave this site and move on over to Democrat Underground or Dailykos.

[Buckwabit]

^^^ Agree???? I can't even understand him most of the time!!!

[dukluk]

VOTE NO!!!

TAXPAYERS HAVE SPENT ENOUGH MONEY ON PUBLIC EDUCATION....EVERY KID IN MS ALREADY HAS A LAPTOP AND/OR AN IPAD GIVEN TO THEM FREE, ALONG WITH EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN AND PROGRESS....AND, FOR THE MOST PART, MS HAS SOME VERY GOOD TEACHERS, TOO.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FEW MOTIVATED STUDENTS, THE REST HAVE NO DESIRE OR INSPIRATION TO LEARN....THAT'S THE REASON MS IS STILL ON THE BOTTOM RUNG OF THE EDUCATION LADDER.

NO AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT CAN BE THROWN AT THAT PROBLEM WILL CHANGE A SINGLE THING.

VOTE NO!!!


HERE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF EVEN MORE WASTED TAXPAYER EDUCATION MONEY, AND IT BENEFITS BLACK MALES ONLY....WHY THE H3LL AREN'T UNDER-PRIVILEDGED CAUCASIANS, ASIANS, AND LATINOS INCLUDED, AS WELL???


MS DELTA COMMUNITY COLLEGE AWARDED $3 MILLION GRANT FOR "SUCCESS INITIATIVE"
Thursday, 24 September 2015 14:43



"""Mississippi Delta Community College (MDCC) was awarded $3 million from the U.S. Department of Education through the Predominately Black Institutions (PBI) Program. MDCC applied for this competitive-based grant for the purpose of improving educational outcomes of African American males through the implementation of an Integrated Student Success Initiative. The college will receive $600,000 annually for five years to fund the Success Initiative.

“Students at MDCC will benefit tremendously thanks to this award being provided by U.S. Department of Education,” said MDCC President Larry Nabors. “The College will be able to create a very valuable Student Success program aimed at increasing student achievement.”

The program will identify and address black males’ challenges related to poverty, academic unpreparedness, lack of academic and social integration into the education system, low levels of meaningful student engagement, retention issues, and low levels of achievement.

Through participation in Student Success, Black males will have access to an online student success credit course, educational materials, technology, tutoring, academic advising, counseling, mentoring, career preparation, and cultural awareness services. An online early alert and advising system will provide a means for advisors, counselors, and PBI staff to help black males stay on track and persist to graduation."""

[southdeltan]

As for the Clinton school district yall have prob the highest paid sup in the state and at least over the last 6 yrs I haven't known of a raise to any teachers but has gone to admin.

I only personally know one teacher and she has recieved a raise but that may be due to her being somewhat new to the District.

I teach. Our salaries mainly come from State funds. Districts pay an additional supplement. I teach in the Delta, my district supplement isn't very much - I don't even know if it's $1,000 per year. Districts with better tax bases typically pay larger supplements but the vast majority of a public school teacher's salary comes from the State.

We just received a raise over the past 2 years. $1500 last year and $1000 this year. Each year you get a cost of living pay raise - the amount depends on what license you have. An AA license (Master's) gets more than an A license (Bachelor's).

That's the state providing, not the district. Administrators get pay raises in our district, I can't recall that in the 15 or so years I've been teaching teachers have had their district supplement increased.

I'm pretty sure that's what the statement was about.

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As a teacher I don't really know what to think about this prop 42. I don't think any of the money is being set aside to give teachers a raise, but I know that administrators (Principals, etc) are definitely for it. Where the kid's coming from (their home) is more important than anything. Even though the legislature didn't fully fund education based on the MAE formula (that they passed - don't get me started on that, they have the power to change or remove it) I heard that the State actually spent more money on education this year than it ever had.

One thing that royally P!$$es me off is the complaint about needing more money when so much is wasted. Every year we're asked to select topics for professional development. I've been in the same 3 or 4 workshops (same topic, sometimes by the same presenter) every year for the past 10. They ask us what we'd like to have at our professional development and then give us the same crap. We were complaining about the workshops in general and were told that the state requires districts to spend a large percentage of their funds on the workshops. Huge waste of money (and time), but those consulting firms that come in and teach the workshops are making bank.

And we definitely would save money if supplies were bought in bulk. I receive funds to buy supplies - I have to get some ink for my printer, not really sure why every teacher doesn't have the same printer and why the district or state doesn't buy ink in bulk. We'd save a lot of money and that's just one example.

There's definitely a "vote yes for the kids" push but I don't think most people (for or against it) really know what the truth is. And just for that reason I'd lean against it. But if my boss asks, I'm for it.

[Wildfowler]

southdeltan

I for one sincerely appreciate your reply.

[420 racin]

This is why my kid(s) will go to Private School

[hntrpat1]

"TAXPAYERS HAVE SPENT ENOUGH MONEY ON PUBLIC EDUCATION....EVERY KID IN MS ALREADY HAS A LAPTOP AND/OR AN IPAD GIVEN TO THEM FREE,"

This is total BS! Really????

on the other hand "NO AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT CAN BE THROWN AT THAT PROBLEM WILL CHANGE A SINGLE THING."

This is soooo true. Throwing money at a problem never fixes it. What kills Ms scores and makes them rank so low is all the private schools. Im not saying private schools are a bad thing but when the people (that care about education) in a mid to small level community send their kids to private school we all know whats left at public school, duh. How is money going to fix that???

[fireplug]

"TAXPAYERS HAVE SPENT ENOUGH MONEY ON PUBLIC EDUCATION....EVERY KID IN MS ALREADY HAS A LAPTOP AND/OR AN IPAD GIVEN TO THEM FREE,"

What kills Ms scores and makes them rank so low is all the private schools. Im not saying private schools are a bad thing but when the people (that care about education) in a mid to small level community send their kids to private school we all know whats left at public school, duh. How is money going to fix that???

THIS is what is total BS. REALLY.

I don't send my kids to private school because I like paying huge tuition bills. I send my kids to private school because of the
condition our public education system is in and it didn't just occur 10 years ago. It's been on a decline over the last 20-30.
It has to do a lot less with the kids they go to school with and EVERYTHING to do with
what curriculum they are being taught and the people teaching it to them. I believe someone earlier in this post said it
that private school teachers may not make that much money, but they are overall much happier in private school because the parents
care about their kids and the education they receive. People who make the sacrifice to send their kids to private school are responsible
for their children's future, not the future of those left behind. If people want to change the public school system in MS they should all load
on a bus and head to Jackson and flood the capital building. When you gather enough folks to fill a bus let me know. I'm sure you'd be
hard pressed to find a bus load willing to go.

[jkb87]

I will admit that I haven't done any research on 42. Here is my questions.

If this passes and the legislature has to fund education to a certain level, where do the cuts in the current state budget come from to fund this? Does this mean taxes will go up at the state level or at the property tax level. I can see a point in time where education funding/medicaid will eat up the whole state budget, FUBAR all around.

I already pay enough in state income taxes and crazy vehicle tags as it is, we do not need anymore taxes in the poorest state in the union.

One of the cuts is going to come from Community College system is Mississippi. A 8%-11% cut across the board.

[Deltaquack]

The schools where my kids go have support 42 signs in front of the schools. Girls and wife came home from football game two or three Fridays ago with 42 stickers that were being handed out. It is sure giving the impression that at least this school district is supporting it. Here's a link I found that gives pros and cons of each. I understand now there is a third option on the ballot and that is that neither amendment is supported.

http://ballotpedia.org/Mississippi_Publ ... _42_(2015)

That's illegal if those signs and stickers are on school property.

Everyone needs to go to the Sec. of State website. There's a sample ballot on there and both initiatives if you look for them. They were on the front page about 2 weeks ago but not right now. 42 simply takes the words "Legislature" out and also adds that it can be enforced with full injunctive relief. i.e. trial lawyers will make a ton of money b/c it's all "Grey area".

The entire problem here is that we are basing everything off of some "Formula" which everyone agrees is flawed. Someone needs to sit down and figure out what is "reasonable". But nothing needs to move forward until all of the excess waste is gone as far as extra school districts, administration, etc. We have a ton of idiots in small towns in the delta getting paid 6 figures as a superintendent over schools with 250 kids in them. Each county should have one administration with a representative from each school attending the meetings. They should use a statewide buying group and statewide bidding on jobs.

[Wildfowler]

http://www.sos.ms.gov/Elections-Voting/ ... ection.pdf

I'm not sure I follow this.

Why do you vote for or against both of these together then vote separately for one or the other? If I previously voted against them both. How am I even eligible to vote for one of them?