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Dad paid $46K for his Z71 in 2014.

jacksbuddy wrote: I'm sorry, but if you just look at the financial appreciation of a house for determination of value, you are missing the boat. That is exactly what caused the housing bubble a few years ago. You'd make more money if you rented a place and put the difference in high yield investments over 30 years. The true value of a home is in the form of the intangibles associated with it.

Of course. But one cannot say that financing depreciating assets is the same as financing one that normally appreciates. One is unfavorable, one is bordering on dumb, strictly fiscally speaking. I'm all for buying whatever makes your family happy.

Greenhead22 wrote:Dad paid $46K for his Z71 in 2014.

Is that the most loaded up Z 71 you can buy or was that a basic Z 71 like mine is ?

Mine is an SLE I believe ? Cloth bench seat extended cab not four full doors. Power windows and locks and that's about it.

I just checked in the window sticker on mine was 36,300. How much was the window sticker on your dads truck?

I bought a 14 SLE 4 x 4, not Z71, for about 35,500 in November. It stickered at 45 or so. There were several good rebates going at the time.

I understand you want a house to appreciate just like he wants his money in stock market to make money but neither is guaranteed.

REBEL DUCK wrote:I understand you want a house to appreciate just like he wants his money in stock market to make money but neither is guaranteed.

Yep nothing says where your house is will stay desirable the whole time you are paying it off. No guarantees.

Wildfowler wrote:

Greenhead22 wrote:Dad paid $46K for his Z71 in 2014.

Is that the most loaded up Z 71 you can buy or was that a basic Z 71 like mine is ?

Mine is an SLE I believe ? Cloth bench seat extended cab not four full doors. Power windows and locks and that's about it.

I just checked in the window sticker on mine was 36,300. How much was the window sticker on your dads truck?

This is an SLE. Cloth seats crew cab. They didn't have any big rebates at the time and since he bought it out of state in Louisiana, he lost whatever rebate was listed. Only got his $3000 off for his GM credit card. They stuck it to him. Best price I've seen on a 15 right now is $38K after rebates and discounts at Skinner's in Terry.

Almost every vehicle will qualify for 0% at 36 months and some I have seen even 72 months. Why pay cash and use my money when I could use the banks. That's not the point I know but you're right trucks are crazy high now days but most also have a $#!+ ton of rebates also.

Good stuff here but Ima tell to the real reason prices are through the roof.

Government Regulation and Personal Litigation.

Yall remember all that rollover stuff from the early 2000's? Well, turns out people couldn't tell their tires were low and it increased the possibility of rollover. Government solution=tire sensors=$100x4+hardware in vehicle.

Emissions standards from the late 90's brought you 3 catalytic converters at $800 apiece per car. No wonder many older units have them removed.

What about stuck accelerator pedals because of faulty floor mat recalls? Po man solution=remove floor mat. Government solution=Recall vehicles and replace pedal.

Ignition switch turning to off position due to excessive amount of keys etc of key ring? Po man solution= take all that shyt off your key ring. Government solution=Recall keys and glue insert into key and replace big ring with small ring(which you then attach your old key ring with the 18 keys and 4 vacation resort thingies and yer gym,kroger,sams club card, mace spray, flashlight, bottle opener, etc etc etc.)

Spare tire over/under inflated??? Po man solution=check that shyt. Government solution=bring it to dealer and make them check that shyt.

I could go on and on about these recalls, but the fact is, many are bs and just there to protect car makers from potential litigation. In fact, there are costs built into the sticker price of your new vehicle to help recover the company the expense of future recalls and unforeseen technical glitches (aka warranty issues)that may arise with the release of a new platform.

But if you want to know THE NUMBER 1 REASON NEW VEHICLES ARE SO EXPENSIVE, check out the Government's crash test safety ratings. Just an airbag deployment alone is enough to total many cars on the road today. Even if it's just a minor crash. If you're looking for an economical vehicle, just find something with a horrible crash safety rating.....

4dawgma wrote:Good stuff here but Ima tell to the real reason prices are through the roof.

Government Regulation and Personal Litigation.

Yall remember all that rollover stuff from the early 2000's? Well, turns out people couldn't tell their tires were low and it increased the possibility of rollover. Government solution=tire sensors=$100x4+hardware in vehicle.

Emissions standards from the late 90's brought you 3 catalytic converters at $800 apiece per car. No wonder many older units have them removed.

What about stuck accelerator pedals because of faulty floor mat recalls? Po man solution=remove floor mat. Government solution=Recall vehicles and replace pedal.

Ignition switch turning to off position due to excessive amount of keys etc of key ring? Po man solution= take all that shyt off your key ring. Government solution=Recall keys and glue insert into key and replace big ring with small ring(which you then attach your old key ring with the 18 keys and 4 vacation resort thingies and yer gym,kroger,sams club card, mace spray, flashlight, bottle opener, etc etc etc.)

Spare tire over/under inflated??? Po man solution=check that shyt. Government solution=bring it to dealer and make them check that shyt.

I could go on and on about these recalls, but the fact is, many are bs and just there to protect car makers from potential litigation. In fact, there are costs built into the sticker price of your new vehicle to help recover the company the expense of future recalls and unforeseen technical glitches (aka warranty issues)that may arise with the release of a new platform.

But if you want to know THE NUMBER 1 REASON NEW VEHICLES ARE SO EXPENSIVE, check out the Government's crash test safety ratings. Just an airbag deployment alone is enough to total many cars on the road today. Even if it's just a minor crash. If you're looking for an economical vehicle, just find something with a horrible crash safety rating.....

The real problem here is that humans just can't stand by and let nature take its course. By that I mean that survival of the fittest doesn't apply to humans because we do everything we can to protect the stupidest SOBs out there. This has lead to a higher cost of living across the board. Over reaching gobment is prime example. Its not just the dems pushing this either. Anytime something bad happens people feel like there should have been something in place to prevent that from happening. So they go hands waving to the politicians to put some great law into place to protect the innocent. Politicians are always looking for some to insure their job security and justify their existence, and playing on the heart strings of the public is a great way to do that. Next thing you know we have a bloated government and every product out their has a bloated price tag in order to pay for the 20 or so warning labels on it.

rant over

kb7722 wrote:The real problem here is that humans just can't stand by and let nature take its course. By that I mean that survival of the fittest doesn't apply to humans because we do everything we can to protect the stupidest SOBs out there.

Glad I am not the only one that thinks Natural Selection and Darwinism are being regulated out of the world.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone to die needlessly. At the same time, it is the way of the world.

I just came out of the Stihl dealer because I needed to replace the primer bulb on my weedeater that I bought 15 years ago. Before I walked in the door I had a preconceived notion of what I would be purchasing based on experiences with other companies and their marketing strategies. I assumed I would be buying a complete assembly to replace the cracked bulb and was pleasantly surprised when the clerk handed me (right off the top of his sales counter not Hidden deep within the bowels of some mysteriously categorized parts bin that require 20 minutes of cross-referencing, part verifications to identify the location, but that's another but that's another rant for later) No the clerk told me to simply unscrew the mounting plate pop the old bulb out, pop this one in and I'd be good to go.

I would love to have more private companies that we could purchase big ticket items from similar to the Stihl company. Have you ever looked at the carburetor on a stihl weedeater? Talk about simplicity.

Yes, I could've bought a cheaper gas powered trimmer way-back-when, but I know it would not have been as reliable over the years and there's no way a publicly traded company would have allowed the consumer to purchase such an inexpensive part to make a simple repair. And there's no way a publicly traded company would Allow the consumer to purchase such an inexpensive part to make a simple repair. I would have been forced to purchase a considerably more expensive "assembly" which would have surely cost me 25 to 30% of the original purchase price?

That's the problem with publicly traded companies, they have a duty to increase their shareholders value. Which means they have these exorbitant marketing departments that come up with all sorts of creative ways to increase the bottom line.

I am certainly not anti-business. It just seems that in today's world, business has become anti-consumer.

Rant off. But we do need more private companies like Stihl Who is probably the world's leader in sales of handheld power tools. And to top it off the price of their power tools really has not increased much at all over the last 15 years. You sure can't say that about GMC pick up trucks.

Hang on to your old stihl trimmers. The new ones aren't like the old ones. Modular and such. Feels like a space ship.

Some actually buy nice trucks so they can take the full tax deduction all in one year. Why not buy a new truck on 36 or 48 month 0% interest and keep from giving a good bit to uncle sam to turn around and give to somebody to go by filets to feed to their dogs.

teul2 wrote:

kb7722 wrote:The real problem here is that humans just can't stand by and let nature take its course. By that I mean that survival of the fittest doesn't apply to humans because we do everything we can to protect the stupidest SOBs out there.

Glad I am not the only one that thinks Natural Selection and Darwinism are being regulated out of the world.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want anyone to die needlessly. At the same time, it is the way of the world.

^^^This.^^^

By the time any one of us hears the immortal words "Hey y'all, watch this." Bubba has already taken some sort of safety contraption off of whatever he is going to use to impress the crowd.