MS Baseball 2015

[stitch]

Can someone give me a cliff notes explantion on the scholarship deal? Why do some school get to give more than others? Is it the school alotting them to the baseball program or an NCAA rule?

This issue only effects sports that aren't "fully funded"......meaning that there are less athletic scholarships available than the number of athletes on a team. Baseball usually carries 30-35 players, but there are only 11 athletic scholarships available.

Move forward to states like Georgia that have the lottery scholarship and kids from Georgia can basically go to school for free.......so, kids from the state of Georgia are covered by lottery money, then they can take their 11 scholarships and come to Mississippi and offer kids a full athletic scholarship. In the case with Vanderbilt, they are a private school and have learned they don't have to disclose all financial information. Long story short, Vandy didn't suddenly "pass by" Mississippi State, they found a coach that figured out how to manipulate the system. Basically, all the kids on Vandy's roster is on a full ride!.......Vandy has 35 scholarships, State and Ole Miss have 11.....that's fair.

Basically, the only states that don't have lottery money (in the Southeast) are Mississippi, Alabama, and Arkansas...........

So.......I dare one logical, sensible, sane person to dare say that scholarships are not an issue and provide a valid argument why they are not.

[Greenhead22]

Scholarships didn't cause a sweep this weekend at SBW. This team quit after the loss to UAPB. They have no heart nor ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQArDMKdSVc

[msudawg8087]

Watched all 3 this weekend and it was tough.

[stitch]

Scholarships didn't cause a sweep this weekend at SBW. This team quit after the loss to UAPB. They have no heart nor ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQArDMKdSVc

So answer these two questions honestly:

You are an SEC baseball coach......
1-Would you rather have 35 scholarships or 11 scholarships to field your team.
2-Do you think that a team with 35 scholarships really has no advantage?

[Greenhead22]

David, I worked in financial aid and scholarships at Miss State for 3 years. I had access to records. There's loopholes in the financial system. I became very good friends with the financial director over athletics at that time. I asked him this very same question about Ron's argument over the limits. He laughed and said they're all covered, no matter the scholarship %. The baseball players were very familiarized with all that was available to them aside from the athletic scholarship. When it's all said and done, they're all on a full ride.

[stang67]

Respectfully, GH



But seriously, I have no doubt that they are educated on taking advantage of any aid scraps available. But that available is not comparable to that available in the LSUs, Vandys, and others. Unless you deny LA has more scholastic aid available for residents, you cannot say they baseball players there don't have more help. Do you know how easy it is for a LA resident to get terrific financial aid to go to an in-state school?

[Greenhead22]

Numbers don't lie. It was all in black and white. Louisiana has TOPS. It's an academic scholarship. Mississippi has MTAG. You have to maintain a certain GPA to keep both. I have friends down here on TOPS. It doesn't help as much as you would think. The money available is based upon what it costs to attend each university. Where it may cost $10K yearly to attend State, it's $30K at Vandy. LSU is probably in $15K range.

[bigwater]

To quote the late great don Meredith
Whom most of u young whippersnappers have no idea is

Turn out the lights .. The party's over

[stitch]

David, I worked in financial aid and scholarships at Miss State for 3 years. I had access to records. There's loopholes in the financial system. I became very good friends with the financial director over athletics at that time. I asked him this very same question about Ron's argument over the limits. He laughed and said they're all covered, no matter the scholarship %. The baseball players were very familiarized with all that was available to them aside from the athletic scholarship. When it's all said and done, they're all on a full ride.

Sure they are aware of what is available.......but if you think for a second all the baseball players at Mississippi State are on a full ride......well....I have the proverbial ocean front property in Arizona I need to sell you. Maybe you need to sit down with the baseball players and coaches because as of last week, you were the only one aware of the situation.

[stitch]

David, I worked in financial aid and scholarships at Miss State for 3 years. I had access to records. There's loopholes in the financial system. I became very good friends with the financial director over athletics at that time. I asked him this very same question about Ron's argument over the limits. He laughed and said they're all covered, no matter the scholarship %. The baseball players were very familiarized with all that was available to them aside from the athletic scholarship. When it's all said and done, they're all on a full ride.

I will leave names out of it....but would discuss openly if we were sitting in a bar.....but what I can tell you for a FACT is that 4 Mississippi State players that finished in the last 3 years and were drafted very high in the draft.......2 that will be in the big leagues some time this season....all had student loans to pay off....if they are top caliber players, wouldn't they have full rides? Explain why they were paying off student loans when you say they are on a full ride.

Everybody gives you crap over statements you make.......this statement is the most ridiculous, retarded statement eve made on this page......and we are all dumber for having read it.

[Greenhead22]

The team that is on the field right now was the #2 ranked recruiting class in the nation that year. Let that sink in. Cohen isn't having an issue recruiting over scholarship limits. I never hear him complain about the limits. The scholarship argument is a mute point. It's obviously not about scholarships when you've got kids taking a "25%" over full ride offers. I just looked at the commitments/signees for the past 3 yrs and for next season. These kids are turning down schools that offer full scholarships to come to State for partials. It's not about the money. It's all about where they want to go. I never once had a baseball player walk into the office I worked at and ask about student loans for the 3 years I was there. They didn't have to. They were all on baseball and academic scholarships.

We can argue about this til we're black and blue in the face. Scholarships are not the reason we're getting our asses handed to us, week in and week out. These kids we recruit are either overrated or majorly underachieving. I've attended games at Dudy Noble for 28 years. I've seen the hey days of the 90's and early 2000's. That 89-90 squad is the best team I've ever seen take the field at Dudy Noble. I haven't seen it this bad in a long time. And I'm not saying it's because of Cohen, Butch and Mingione either. I haven't figured out whether or not we're bringing in kids that we're "projecting" to increase their skills or something else. If they aren't hitting .400 in high school, they won't hit in college. If he's hitting .315, he'll be a .275 college hitter at best ....... and that's what looks like we're doing.

[camlock]

The scholarship argument is a mute point.

It's a moot point...not a mute one...and I would never be grammar police, but you are the fine exception to that rule!

Scholarships aren't why MSU and Ole Miss teams are not up to par this year...you are right, they are underachieving and lots of factors are at play...but the baseball scholarship situation and disparity between states is a major issue in D1 baseball around the South. It's unfair for teams in certain state than others, LSU is the biggest example, but Georgia and Tennessee schools are better off than others too. My credibility on the matter is MOOT, but I know for a fact that nobody is supplementing to the extent you passed off in your previous post...NOBODY...unless they are cheating and few baseball programs generate enough money to cheat to that extent. You are misinformed.

[Greenhead22]

Blame the phone autocorrect lol.

[Greenhead22]

You're missing the point. There's no cheating or "supplementing" of the program. Like I said from the start, the academic scholarships kick in where the baseball scholarship ends. Ron and Pat recruited smart kids for a reason.

[NUTMEG]

Stitch - Did you play on the 89-90 team?