goodbye world as we know it

[fireplug]

For those that don't think the employment rolls of our government aren't bloated. Take a look at this list of Governement departments.
Imagine if the IRS and the EPA find less than 10% of their staff to be necessary to function successfully, then it seems to me that
we need to see about making these cut backs permenant. Again, I hate to see anyone get laid off. I've been there before myself, and
I know people who are furloughed right now, but when you are $17 trillion in debt, I don't think there is a good argument for keeping many
of those 800k that are furloughed. Obviously some of them probably need to come back but lets face it, the tax payer is getting screwed here.



http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/contingency-plans

[peewee]

Fireplug, one reason folks aren't feeling pain is b/c most gov. Employees are still working on carry over funds. When those agencies FY 13 funds are spent they will go home. Myself I have till the end of next week. The term nonessential employees should have never been created. The gov. is just like the private sector in many ways. You have producers, you have nonproducers. The gov. problem is you can't get rid of the nonproducers. I know our agency is understaffed, whether you believe that or not I don't care. I know the section with EPA I work with is understaffed. Six folks to work three states especially when LA and Tx are two of them is not enough. We have 7 guys who work three states and we weren't able to travel over 1/2 this FY. I love that folks knock us lazy federal civilians and the great pay we get. Our guys for the most part use our own resources. We use our own phones. You may not think that's a big deal but when I'm sitting at my sons baseball practice yesterday I'm getting calls that I don't get paid for. Then I get bitched out in branch meetings for working off the clock trying to help folks out. Fed. Employees supposivly can't donate time.
Everytime I stroll out hunting I see folks whom are inquiring about different situations. To you that may not be work but it is time out of my life that I don't see back. I love helping folks and I love the Environment which is why I do what I do. There are folks in the private sector that make a hell of a lot more money doing what I do. Some are good, some are crooks. It's my job to decipher out between them. So please continue carrying on bashing non-essential employees at you regularly scheduled convenience. I need to return this voicemail that was just left of the clock so I can help a few landowners.

[fireplug]

Peewee, I don't know every situation, and I never called anyone lazy or any other name for that matter and I most certainly
wasn't bashing anyone. My point was that we as a country are well over the point of being broke. $17 trillion in debt is not a laughing matter.
Our government has way to many unnecessary "Departments" with unnecessary employees. Time to start snatching people off the government
tit, even if they are employed there. This government shutdown will not affect me in any way. I don't rely on the government and never will.

Just one example.
I like to fish the COE lakes. I don't need the COE to hold my hand while I'm out there fishing in a river that God created. It's nice to have the
boat ramps that the COE maintains, but people are creative and can make their own launching pads withouth the government help. If I have to
choose between the governement saving millions of dollars in waste, vs maintaining a boat ramp, I'm going with the savings. Maybe your department,
since it's so understaffed, can use some of the people from the unnecessary departments to pick up the slack. Government is so high and mighty that
it refuses to be creative and inovative. They just throw more money at it, instead of figuring out better ways to cut costs and be more efficient. Sharing
"non essential" people from one department with a department that is understaffed makes sense to me, but not to government. Time to stop the bleeding
and I hope that the shutdown stays around for a while and opens peoples eyes.

[Wildfowler]

If nothing is done regarding the government shutdown and it drags on for an extended period of time it will eventually affect us all. The economy has been artificially propped up by government spending for a long time. Look at the stock market, it rallies to new highs when down beat economic news is broken. The traders know that poor economic data reports mean the Federal Reserve will not change it's monetary policy.

Does anyone really think the economy is better off now than it was just a few short years ago? I don't. I personally think we need to have a strong dollar monetary policy to get our country back on track more than anything else. A strong dollar would have a tremendous wealth ripple effect felt by everyone in the country. But I do wonder if an extended shutdown could actually lower the deficit?

[1010]

IMO its not so much as the GOV workers its all the folks getting entitlement checks now days..

The COE lakes would be all good if folks were perfect visitors like Mr fireplug.. Problem is they,, never mind,, jeezz
From what I read in your post you no freaking idea of what goes on at a COE lake. IDK of any new boat ramps at all on Grenada or ones that cost millions to maintain..

So untill you work at one and know first hand please STFU you don't know $#!+.

[fireplug]

IMO its not so much as the GOV workers its all the folks getting entitlement checks now days..

The COE lakes would be all good if folks were perfect visitors like Mr fireplug.. Problem is they,, never mind,, jeezz
From what I read in your post you no freaking idea of what goes on at a COE lake. IDK of any new boat ramps at all on Grenada or ones that cost millions to maintain..

So untill you work at one and know first hand please STFU you don't know caca.

Dude, did you even read any of my posts? Apparently you didn't. I have friends that are furloughed from there right now. I do know "caca" about what happens there. My post SPECIFICALLY SAID, if I'm given a choice between lowering the cost and size of government vs having a Gov. maintained Lake,
I'm choosing the downsizing. Watch your language on this here radio. There may be children listening.

[timberjack]

I support the government shutdown 100% and I think it will open some people's eyes very quickly. I'm surprised at some of the members here who in one post will call themselves conservatives and in the next will complain about not getting their government paycheck. I read somewhere one time that the U.S. Federal government is the largest employer in the world. I don't know if that's true or not but if it is then we are doomed. Why?...because everybody is all for fiscal responsibility until it affects their own pocketbook. You guys on the government payroll need to step back and take a look at the big picture. This country's strength in the past has been its entrepreneurs starting small businesses. If you've been furloughed maybe its time to step out and strike out on your own, make your own way and be your own boss....it could be one of the best things that ever happens to you and your family.

[teul2]

please STFU you don't know caca.

Watch your language on this here radio. There may be children listening.

good point
We all need to chill on the language. If not, I am going to change the word censor to make everything remotely bad to "I'm a child, and use bad language".
Fair warning.

[1010]

I support the government shutdown 100% and I think it will open some people's eyes very quickly. I'm surprised at some of the members here who in one post will call themselves conservatives and in the next will complain about not getting their government paycheck. I read somewhere one time that the U.S. Federal government is the largest employer in the world. I don't know if that's true or not but if it is then we are doomed. Why?...because everybody is all for fiscal responsibility until it affects their own pocketbook. You guys on the government payroll need to step back and take a look at the big picture. This country's strength in the past has been its entrepreneurs starting small businesses. If you've been furloughed maybe its time to step out and strike out on your own, make your own way and be your own boss....it could be one of the best things that ever happens to you and your family.

I can honestly say that I am also glad of the shut down,, I hope the so called CONS in Washington don't budge a inch.. And yeah I'm furloughed. 15 years of GOV for me.

[mfalkner]

I support the government shutdown 100% and I think it will open some people's eyes very quickly. I'm surprised at some of the members here who in one post will call themselves conservatives and in the next will complain about not getting their government paycheck. I read somewhere one time that the U.S. Federal government is the largest employer in the world. I don't know if that's true or not but if it is then we are doomed. Why?...because everybody is all for fiscal responsibility until it affects their own pocketbook. You guys on the government payroll need to step back and take a look at the big picture. This country's strength in the past has been its entrepreneurs starting small businesses. If you've been furloughed maybe its time to step out and strike out on your own, make your own way and be your own boss....it could be one of the best things that ever happens to you and your family.

You make your point well, but I'd like to point out that the shutdown also affects entrepreneurial small businesses in a very direct and harmful way. I and my partners have worked our guts out and risked everything to build a small business. We consider ourselves blessed to have some substantial contracts right now providing design services for projects that meet real needs and make life better and safer in local communities. These are funded through programs (mostly loans that have to be paid back) which are Federally backed. So, we have signed contracts which my people have fulfilled. Some of this work had drug on for 1-2 years because of various review and bureaucratic logjams (many caused by the sequester), during which time the firm has borne all expenses - we have not been paid one dime. At this point, we are owed roughly 1/3 of our total annual revenue and can't get paid because of a shutdown. What this may mean is that 20 families go without income. Not government employees but guys and gals who get up early every day and work hard and produce something. In other words, we are "toting the note" on what to us is a huge sum, for the Federal gov't.

I believe that Obamacare is a nightmare for most Americans, whether they realize it or not, although I recognize it will benefit some. But as I've written my congressman, sometimes you have to pick your battles. If you don't have the votes, you don't have them. I don't really care if they stay the course on this one - what I'm sick of is this constant running battle between parties that keeps our nation bouncing from crisis to crisis and never able to move forward. I'm sick of the President's arrogant attitude saying things like "I don't have to offer anything", and I'm sick of the blame war, and for the second time I can remember I'm embarrassed to be a US citizen. I've traveled to a number of foreign countries and would not want to live anywhere else, and consider myself as patriotic as one can get, but when our representatives can't resolve ANYTHING of substance, we are in a mess.

End of rant, just wanted to make the point that the shutdown affects "working folks" too. And that's not a slam on government employees, most of whom that I deal with are motivated individuals doing their job the best they can.

[Double R 2]

I support the government shutdown 100% and I think it will open some people's eyes very quickly. I'm surprised at some of the members here who in one post will call themselves conservatives and in the next will complain about not getting their government paycheck. I read somewhere one time that the U.S. Federal government is the largest employer in the world. I don't know if that's true or not but if it is then we are doomed. Why?...because everybody is all for fiscal responsibility until it affects their own pocketbook. You guys on the government payroll need to step back and take a look at the big picture. This country's strength in the past has been its entrepreneurs starting small businesses. If you've been furloughed maybe its time to step out and strike out on your own, make your own way and be your own boss....it could be one of the best things that ever happens to you and your family.

AMEN!