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LODI QUACKER wrote:

Deltamud77 wrote:

I think it's more if they start coming home to home askin for guns.

Okay. Say the FBI HRT comes to your neighborhood going door to door demanding your guns and to search your house. If you knwo about HRT, you know they are as highly trained as any tactical team this side of Navy DEVGRU or Delta Force. To that point, many are former members of those teams. They will have snipers, they will have assaulters, etc. They will have drone surveillance, they will have armored personnel vehicles, etc.

If you resist, they arrest you and do what they want in search of your guns. The FEDGOV then seizes all of your assets (which they can now do without trial under an Obama Ex. Order). If you fight, they kill you and likely your family too.

Obviously, there are not a lot of HRT operators, but the FBI has SWAT Teams in every district in which they have offices. These guys have similar capabilities.

I am not saying the government would do it with ease (that depends on how far they want to push things), but they could do it and there is really little the populace could do to stop it IMHO.

So while those 25 guys start raiding houses in 1 neighborhood what are the other 2000 people in that same hood doing? Hiding under a rock? NOT going to happen!

what do the other 200 people in the hood do when po-po's show up with lights and sirens on? they mind their own damn business cuz they dont want the cops asking them questions. its not like they gonna issue a public notice "hey we coming to get your guns, be ready for us." they will just show up one night at someone's house who they believe is committing a crime, and arrest them. neighbors will be standing int he street shaking their head about how the guy must have gotten mixed up with drugs, or porn, or kids.

if congress repeals the second amendment, then owning firearms will not be a constitutional right. legislation restricting gun ownership will be the law of the land and whether they like it or not, the military is sworn to uphold the consitution as written when the order is given, not how it used to be written.

Your kidding right?

Deltamud77 wrote:

420 racin wrote:I think you are pesimistic and underestimate the American peoples desire to not have their guns taken away. Hope we don't see a war within ourselves, but the sheer numbers of gun owners in the country give us a hell of a chance against the gov/military. Plus, I think alot more of the LEO's and military will take the side of the American People and protect teh Constitution than you think.

Oh, I hope I am wrong if that ever happened. However, realistically speaking, the military (even in a drastically reduced form) is far too powerful and the will of the people is far to weak, to be sustainable against the will of the government.

Look at history.

Germany for hundreds of years has been one of the most sophisticated societies on earth. The Gestapo was not drafted. They volunteered. The same is the case in Russia when the communist took over. In both cases, it took an outside military force (the US) stronger than their own to change the governments (through force and threats of force) and free the people. Russians are still not really free and Germans are still unarmed.

It is one thing to stock up on ammo and weapons. It is a whole different animal to put them to use against a force greater than you which, in all likelihood, is far more capable of tactical use of a weapon than you are. Don't forget, our military is more capable of urban warfare right now than every before. There is hardly a person in the Marines or the Army that have not taken direct part in it if they have been in the military at any time in the last 12 years.

I am not trying to poopoo the resistance, I am just being realistic.

So should we just go ahead and wave the white flag and sign over our rights to BO now? I agree that the chances of any kind of resistance succeeding are bleak, but the right to bear armed gives us hope. If you take that away, you might as well take all our rights away. I am not promoting a resistance, but I believe we could all do a little more to make our voices heard. How many of you have at least written your reps? Joined the NRA? I can hear the replies now, "it won't matter....they are going to do what they want." The US founders shed blood to ensure the constitutional rights we have today; the least we can do is send an email.

Yep!



Clinging to your guns and religion! REMEMBER!!!


Ill be the first to give up great grandadys purdy when they take it. But just think of the reporcussions when you make that first 10 phone calls!

If they take my guns what the heck am I going to do with all these scopes?

I doubt that any drastic measures will be taken. Maybe get the assault weapons ban back. It is crazy since only 3 percent of firearms related death are caused by rifles. It is amazing how they ignore the real issue. If people really cared about those kids in the school shootings they would be in the streets chanting to end gun free zones.

LODI QUACKER wrote:

Your kidding right?

Im not saying the current administration is going to rewrite the constitution, but i wiul nit be surprised if the 2nd is repealed in our lifetime. At this point, I have not lost all hope in the American electorate, but recent legislation and Supreme Court decisions upholding the new laws are making me scratch my heard and opening my eyes to the fact that the principles and values upon which are county was formed are systemically eroding to the point that we are beginning to look a lot like the situation we fought against in 1776.

And no, i swope to uphold the constitution that oir foinding fathers drafted. Not some basterdized new liberal version!

LODI QUACKER wrote:And no, i swope to uphold the constitution that oir foinding fathers drafted. Not some basterdized new liberal version!

In that case, what are you doing about women and coloreds voting?

All mine where stole......

gps4 wrote:

LODI QUACKER wrote:And no, i swope to uphold the constitution that oir foinding fathers drafted. Not some basterdized new liberal version!

In that case, what are you doing about women and coloreds voting?

They were voting when I swore my oath brother! Hell, I may be greybearded but im not that old!

Here's a little video for those of you that don't think our government is capable of doing bad things and that think we are just black helicopter
conspiry theory tin hat wearing kooks. It's long, but don't let that stop you from being more informed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXg2WsNC ... e=youtu.be

LODI QUACKER wrote:

gps4 wrote:

LODI QUACKER wrote:And no, i swope to uphold the constitution that oir foinding fathers drafted. Not some basterdized new liberal version!

In that case, what are you doing about women and coloreds voting?

They were voting when I swore my oath brother! Hell, I may be greybearded but im not that old!

...but its not the same consititution that our founding fathers drafted, and became a basterdized new liberal version at some point since then.....

1) congress can not repeal the 2nd amendment. It is part of the constitution.

Either Congress or the States can propose an amendment ot the Constitution.
Both Houses of Congress must propose the amendment with a two-thirds vote. This is how all current amendments have been offered.
Two-thirds of the State legislatures must call on Congress to hold a Constitutional Convention.
2. Ratify An Admendment
Regardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must be ratified by the States.
Three-fourths of the State legislatures must approve of the amendment proposed by Congress, or
Three-fourths of the states must approve the amendment via ratifying conventions. This method has only been used once, to repeal Prohibition (21st Amendment).
Is there a timeline for ratification? The US Supreme Court has held that ratification must happen within "some reasonable time after the proposal." Since the 18th Amendment, Congress has set a term of seven years for ratification.

Only 33 amendments have received a two-thirds vote from both Houses of Congress. Of those, only 27 have been ratified by the States. Perhaps the most visible failure is the Equal Rights Amendment.

2) if our government goes as far as sending armed teams to homes to confiscate guns this country will have already gone down the drain. It will not be worth living here. I have lived a great life so far and I am not willing to live a $#!+ life from now on. If they plan on taking my guns by force they better bring a bunch of body bags. One for me and some extras for them. No $#!+!

3) No state, county, or city Law enforcement agency (except the city of Jackson, maybe) is going to enforce a law to confiscate guns. I know many guys that work LE and not one of them would take the risk to go on gun confiscation duty. That's like asking to get shot. Taking away my guns is taking away liberty. It would result in a civil war.

ALSO, join the NRA.
Don't just ride in the wagon. Do your part and help pull it!

I already sold all my guns

let me say first I pray it does NOT come to this
but if i had some when they come to take them. I will resist and most likely be killed after killing the first 3 or more. cause i am efficient as some of those FBI HRT guys. And if you are not willing to do the same then shut up and join Obama side cause it wasnt for puzzies like you that won our freedom from in the revolutionary war. You as a none trained man kill at least one of those well trained personnel that come for you gun then i can swear to the good man up stairs they will run out of well trained personnel and none well trained personnel before they finish up the search.

as for the predators and helicopters and jets they are effective on people in the open an that are congregated. Here in America we have lots of woods to hide in and those bombs cost money that if there is another revulsion its gonna get even harder to build example one hellfire missile cost $158,000,000. You do the math. And with a civil war China is most likely gonna stop loaning money.

As i said earlier. I pray we never see this day.