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Re: WHERE IS DA MS AG?

Postby ransco33 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:31 am

Deagle wrote:I have an honest question. If it is unconstitutional for the US Government to force us to have health insurance, then why was it not unconstitutional for the State of MS to force us to buy automobile insurance?


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say because the automobile insurance states that you have to have liability in case you hit someone else. It protects everyone else from all the democrats that can't drive. Imagine if you got hit by a dumb booty reggin that didn't have insurance. Then you're stuck paying for it. But the health insurance only affects one's self, and not everyone else in the general public if you can't afford to go get yourself some medical help. I would say that's the difference, but it's just my $0.02.
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Postby teul2 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:35 am

ransco33 wrote:
Deagle wrote:I have an honest question. If it is unconstitutional for the US Government to force us to have health insurance, then why was it not unconstitutional for the State of MS to force us to buy automobile insurance?


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say because the automobile insurance states that you have to have liability in case you hit someone else. It protects everyone else from all the democrats that can't drive. Imagine if you got hit by a dumb booty reggin that didn't have insurance. Then you're stuck paying for it. But the health insurance only affects one's self, and not everyone else in the general public if you can't afford to go get yourself some medical help. I would say that's the difference, but it's just my $0.02.

I am sure the Dems will make the argument that it does effect everyone. U get sick, get some one else sick, etc.
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Re: WHERE IS DA MS AG?

Postby driveby » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:41 am

.....Or you get sick, don't have insurance, don't pay the bill, you're affecting the doctor and hospital by costing them money. I don't agree with it but I'd be willing to bet this would be their argument.
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Re: WHERE IS DA MS AG?

Postby ransco33 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:45 am

The way I look at it, you don't pay the bill cause you can't afford insurance, it should be held out of your "wages" (welfare, disability, whatever you're on) like child support is. Don't penalize the working man to pay for the lazy democrats.
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Postby cwink » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:12 am

ransco33 wrote:
Deagle wrote:I have an honest question. If it is unconstitutional for the US Government to force us to have health insurance, then why was it not unconstitutional for the State of MS to force us to buy automobile insurance?


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say because the automobile insurance states that you have to have liability in case you hit someone else. It protects everyone else from all the democrats that can't drive. Imagine if you got hit by a dumb booty reggin that didn't have insurance. Then you're stuck paying for it. But the health insurance only affects one's self, and not everyone else in the general public if you can't afford to go get yourself some medical help. I would say that's the difference, but it's just my $0.02.



Also driving is not a right.. You don't want to pay the insurance you don't have to drive.. Can't really say that about living. Basically the govt is going to charge you for breathing..
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Postby msbigdawg1234 » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:23 am

I manage labor finders here in Vburg and you would not believe the crap i hear come out of some of these guys...they thinkin now EVERYTHING they have ever wanted is gona be handed to them on a silver platter....couple of them came in yesterday and asked me where the insurance forms were at so they could fill them out for free medical insurance...i told them that we do not supply medical insurance for temp labor help....they got mad and said that the govt official will be contacting me asap because OBAMA says its LAW now for EVERYONE to obey his laws.......its only gona get worse.....
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Postby peewee » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:31 am

BR549 wrote:
LostBoy wrote:Dude is bought and paid for by the trial lawyers, just like Obama. He aint moving unless they say so.


You don't know what the hell you are talking about! I grew up with him and went to school with him. He's as good as gold! If he doesn't see a need to file them he obviously has a reason to believe it would be a waste of taxpayer money. I personally don't know, but I assure you if that's what needs to be done, he will do it! He aint scared of no one, Democrat, Republican, and anyone else in politics!



Jim Hood is a CROOK, if you have followed his office the last few years and seen some the deals this fellow has cut it obvious he has been bought. I wonder why state charges were never brought against Dickie Scruggs. Oh yeah that's right, I remember Mr. Hood said "he couldn't do it because that would be like prosecuting your brother." Give me a break, he along with Billy McCoy are some of the worst poloticians MS have.
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Re: WHERE IS DA MS AG?

Postby jacksbuddy » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:49 am

Deagle wrote:I have an honest question. If it is unconstitutional for the US Government to force us to have health insurance, then why was it not unconstitutional for the State of MS to force us to buy automobile insurance?

I thought about this too. Plus, if it is illegal for the government to force us to by Health Insurance, as Republicans have stated, then it is illegal for the government to force people to buy ANY insurance. Right?

If so, this will open up a whole new can of worms. For instance:

1 - Government backed mortgages (FHA, VA, Fannie Mae, Freddie mac, etc.) cannot legally force homeowners to purchase homeowners insurance. {You had better like your current house because there's no way that you will ever get a mortgage again.}
2 - Uninsured Motorist premiums are going to go through the roof, even for jalopies.
3 - And be glad that you even have a vehicle. Unless you can purchase one with cash on hand you will be walking because who's going to finance a vehicle without also requiring the borrower to purchase automobile insurance?
4 - Long term, this line of events would cause the entire banking and finance industries to cease to exist as we know it.
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Postby peewee » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:00 am

jacksbuddy wrote:
Deagle wrote:I have an honest question. If it is unconstitutional for the US Government to force us to have health insurance, then why was it not unconstitutional for the State of MS to force us to buy automobile insurance?

I thought about this too. Plus, if it is illegal for the government to force us to by Health Insurance, as Republicans have stated, then it is illegal for the government to force people to buy ANY insurance. Right?

If so, this will open up a whole new can of worms. For instance:

1 - Government backed mortgages (FHA, VA, Fannie Mae, Freddie mac, etc.) cannot legally force homeowners to purchase homeowners insurance. {You had better like your current house because there's no way that you will ever get a mortgage again.}
2 - Uninsured Motorist premiums are going to go through the roof, even for jalopies.
3 - And be glad that you even have a vehicle. Unless you can purchase one with cash on hand you will be walking because who's going to finance a vehicle without also requiring the borrower to purchase automobile insurance?
4 - Long term, this line of events would cause the entire banking and finance industries to cease to exist as we know it.
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Postby coonman » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:10 am

Barbour to Hood: File health care suit or I will

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JACKSON — Mississippi’s Republican governor and lieutenant governor are asking the state’s Democratic attorney general to file a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of a sweeping federal health care bill. The legislation passed Sunday, and President Barack Obama plans to sign it into law Tuesday. Gov. Haley Barbour said he will file a lawsuit himself if Attorney General Jim Hood does not make a decision by noon Thursday. “A physician’s creed is to ’First, do no harm,”’ Barbour, who’s head of the Republican Governors Association, said in a statement Monday. “The health care legislation passed Sunday infects the economy with harmful tax increases, strips benefits from senior citizens and robs each citizen of their basic freedom to choose their own health care.” Hood made no commitment Monday, saying only that once the bill is signed, “we will review the law to determine if there are any viable causes of action for the state of Mississippi.” Lt. Gov. Phil Bryant sent a letter Monday to Hood, saying the federal legislation is too expensive and would violate people’s rights by requiring them to buy insurance. “The 10th Amendment protects states from an overbearing federal government. It is time we exercise those rights,” said Bryant, who’s gearing up to run for governor in 2011. Barbour is limited to two terms and can’t run again next year. Hood said last week that he’s running for a third term as attorney general in 2011. He’s the only Democrat holding statewide office in Mississippi, and Republicans are expected to try to unseat him. Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson was the only member of Mississippi’s congressional delegation who voted for the health care bill. Democratic Reps. Travis Childers and Gene Taylor and Republican Rep. Gregg Harper voted against it, saying it is too expensive. All four are seeking re-election this year. Thompson said the vote is one of the most significant he has taken during his 17 years in Washington. “Essentially, this legislation will put Americans back in control of their health care choices, hold insurance companies accountable, and make coverage more affordable,” Thompson said.
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Postby Seymore » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:12 am

I've been readng the legal scholars opinion of these suits and they say it is the same thing that happened when Social Security and Medicare went in. The suits are political posturing and nothing more. They will get no where in the courts. Unfortunately, we are now stuck with government health care.
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Re: WHERE IS DA MS AG?

Postby MudHog » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:12 am

jacksbuddy,

the insurances that your bringing up could still hold their name. Your insuring something that is being financed. Why wouldn't it make sense to carry insurance on something that is financed? You drive a new vehicle off the lot and get in a wreck on the way home, vehicle is totalled. Now you have to pay a note on something you don't have and then have to go buy another vehicle too. You buy a new home and week later it catches fire, tornado or hurricane comes through and is destroyed. Thats my way of thinking.



With the mass population, there is NO one solution that will work for everyone. There are way to many different scenarios that can't be solved with one solution. Yes, there are some very needy people that this may help. However, there are others that don't need it and will milk it.


Currently there are small businesses that are weighing their options to NOT provide the health care and just pay the gov penalty. There also student loan clauses in this "healthcare reform", like beginning in 2014, borrowers will be able to use up 10% max of their monthly income to repay student loans, instead of the current 15% max. Now they are having to take longer to repay AND pay more interest in the long run.
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Postby DEERHUNT » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:47 am

jacksbuddy wrote:
Deagle wrote:I have an honest question. If it is unconstitutional for the US Government to force us to have health insurance, then why was it not unconstitutional for the State of MS to force us to buy automobile insurance?

I thought about this too. Plus, if it is illegal for the government to force us to by Health Insurance, as Republicans have stated, then it is illegal for the government to force people to buy ANY insurance. Right?

If so, this will open up a whole new can of worms. For instance:

1 - Government backed mortgages (FHA, VA, Fannie Mae, Freddie mac, etc.) cannot legally force homeowners to purchase homeowners insurance. {You had better like your current house because there's no way that you will ever get a mortgage again.}
2 - Uninsured Motorist premiums are going to go through the roof, even for jalopies.
3 - And be glad that you even have a vehicle. Unless you can purchase one with cash on hand you will be walking because who's going to finance a vehicle without also requiring the borrower to purchase automobile insurance?
4 - Long term, this line of events would cause the entire banking and finance industries to cease to exist as we know it.



All of these (owning a car or house) is a privalage NOT A RIGHT. They are not requiring you to get insurance just saying if you don't we won't finance you.

Living a my life healthy or unheathy is my God given RIGHT! Speaking of God, Why was Obama signing a bill on Sunday? Siging a bill is his job i.e. work. Didn't he break God's law by working on the sabath?
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Re: WHERE IS DA MS AG?

Postby jacksbuddy » Wed Mar 24, 2010 9:56 am

MudHog wrote:jacksbuddy,

the insurances that your bringing up could still hold their name. Your insuring something that is being financed. Why wouldn't it make sense to carry insurance on something that is financed? You drive a new vehicle off the lot and get in a wreck on the way home, vehicle is totalled. Now you have to pay a note on something you don't have and then have to go buy another vehicle too. You buy a new home and week later it catches fire, tornado or hurricane comes through and is destroyed. Thats my way of thinking.

You are like me, a honorable person. However, we both know of a LOT of people in the lower socioecomic levels that would be willing to accept the risk of loss rather than pay insurance. If they have a catastrophic loss, then they will simply walk away from the debt. In fact, we see it every day. Yes, car insurance is the law of the land, but how many people still don't carry insurance until they get caught? :?

MudHog wrote: However, there are others that don't need it and will milk it.

And like everything else with the government that gets 'milked', the abusers of the system will prosper from it and we'll all have to pay for it because nobody seems to care about the oversight.

MudHog wrote:There also student loan clauses in this "healthcare reform", like beginning in 2014, borrowers will be able to use up 10% max of their monthly income to repay student loans, instead of the current 15% max. Now they are having to take longer to repay AND pay more interest in the long run.

In my opinion, this will not work. This limitation will more than likely cause negative amortization of student loans due to the facts that interest rates will increase, educational costs continue to rise faster than the rate of inflation, and salaries have stagnated in receint years for new college graduates.

Sorry to sound like I'm ranting, but thanks for your input.
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Re: WHERE IS DA MS AG?

Postby donia » Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:06 am

DEERHUNT wrote:... Speaking of God, Why was Obama signing a bill on Sunday? Siging a bill is his job i.e. work. Didn't he break God's law by working on the sabath?


he, polosi and reid conferred and decided that he can issue an executive order/mandate, in the name of universal health care, that trumps God's sabath decree - they successfully rammed all this down our throats with overwhelming opposition, what's to stop them from changing God's will, too???? why not push as far as they can as long as they can, for their egos and pocketbooks, 'cause they just committed political suicide going against the strong opposition.

what i can't figure out is where these polls that are saying his approval rating is growing again, are getting their data...who have they found, that they didn't for the last few months, that are hip hip horray for the president, now??
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