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Damn_It_Boy wrote:Some vets still don't know chiat about EIC.......... (Note: I understand not all vets are this way, and have switched to a more knowledgable vet in my area.)

You don't need a vets advice concerning EIC, as all the info. you need is located on the Univ. of Minn. VDL website.

http://www.vdl.umn.edu/ourservices/cani ... /home.html

Easy now...you are right that many small animal veterinarians have little to no understanding of EIC; but a genetic trait is a genetic trait, a chi square is a chi square. The principles are the same, in regards to results of breeding. I know what you're trying to say DIB, but he shouldn't abandon his veterinarian's advice. He should educate himself about the disease, and a reputable and knowledgable veterinarian may be needed to help clarify things. Not everyone is as smart as you DIB.

brandonvet wrote: Not everyone is as smart as you DIB.

Yeah, I forget sometimes.........

Damn_It_Boy wrote:

brandonvet wrote: Not everyone is as smart as you DIB.

Yeah, I forget sometimes.........

So Robert..........is it clear as mud now?

I have a similiar dog but have not tested for EIC and CNM because I am not interested in breeding at this time. She has Excellent hips, CERF eyes, normal cardiac and normal elbows. Titled in a similiar time period.

When I look at the available breedings, I see lots of people having trouble moving puppies. I can buy a dog off a QAA bitch for less than the stud fee of many top dogs. There is nothing wrong with breeding EIC carrier puppies but they are often sold at reduced fees. To place the ones you don't want may mean pet homes. There is nothing wrong with a pet home but a lot of the high powered hunt test and field trial breedings are a poor fit for this purpose. No discipline and no structure in these homes often result in a 5 by 10' kennel with little or no airing.

At this time I am unable to begin training any excess pups that I cannot move. So my personal decision has been not to breed. I will have EIC and CNM and possibly PRA tests done in the future. With results in hand I may change my mind. I will certainly reevaluate my decision if and when the puppy market improves.

Good luck with whatever you decide!!!
Mark L.

fishduck wrote:I have a similiar dog but have not tested for EIC and CNM because I am not interested in breeding at this time. She has Excellent hips, CERF eyes, normal cardiac and normal elbows. Titled in a similiar time period.

When I look at the available breedings, I see lots of people having trouble moving puppies. I can buy a dog off a QAA bitch for less than the stud fee of many top dogs. There is nothing wrong with breeding EIC carrier puppies but they are often sold at reduced fees. To place the ones you don't want may mean pet homes. There is nothing wrong with a pet home but a lot of the high powered hunt test and field trial breedings are a poor fit for this purpose. No discipline and no structure in these homes often result in a 5 by 10' kennel with little or no airing.

At this time I am unable to begin training any excess pups that I cannot move. So my personal decision has been not to breed. I will have EIC and CNM and possibly PRA tests done in the future. With results in hand I may change my mind. I will certainly reevaluate my decision if and when the puppy market improves.

Good luck with whatever you decide!!!
Mark L.

This goes to show that responsible breeding goes beyond health clearances and genetic matching. I wish more folks thought like this.

flyntwt wrote:This goes to show that responsible breeding goes beyond health clearances and genetic matching. I wish more folks thought like this.

So do I. It always goes back to the human element. If more people were this responsible Labradors would be in better shape as a breed in all categories, and well bred pups would sell at a more consitent price. They would also have more consistent placement in working dog homes. Of course, the congenital ailments would reduce through attrition along the way.

But self control among humans is always the challenge.

EvanG

brandonvet wrote:

Damn_It_Boy wrote:Some vets still don't know chiat about EIC.......... (Note: I understand not all vets are this way, and have switched to a more knowledgable vet in my area.)

You don't need a vets advice concerning EIC, as all the info. you need is located on the Univ. of Minn. VDL website.

http://www.vdl.umn.edu/ourservices/cani ... /home.html

Easy now...you are right that many small animal veterinarians have little to no understanding of EIC; but a genetic trait is a genetic trait, a chi square is a chi square. The principles are the same, in regards to results of breeding. I know what you're trying to say DIB, but he shouldn't abandon his veterinarian's advice. He should educate himself about the disease, and a reputable and knowledgable veterinarian may be needed to help clarify things. Not everyone is as smart as you DIB.

Now (IF'N) I remember (YOU) told someone NOT to buy one of my chessie pups (because @ 8 weeks old you could tell he would be cripple with arthritis before he was a year old . Well he is 14 months old and a duck getting rascal , prelims look excellent and he shows no sign of any crippling disease ! So where does the reputable and knowledgable veterinarian come into play ?

Oh i forgot ,,,,,,its not the DIB is smarter ,,,,,,he had a problem and educated himself about the disease and learned what triggered his dog and how to train smart ! (I) would take a pup out of Rocco anyday BUT thats just me , po ole dumb country boy ! I will admit i aint a vet. BUT i know a horses booty when i see one


DIB wif all that popcorn i beez thirsty

brandonvet wrote: Not everyone is as smart as you DIB.

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wow.

gator

gator wrote:

brandonvet wrote: Not everyone is as smart as you DIB.

wow.

gator[/quote]

Don't you have some baby chit to clean up or something? douche.......

bryan, are you being inappropriate?

by the way, i would have no problem grabbing a pup from a clear to carrier breeding. i'd want to know, of course, but i wouldn't have a problem w/ it.

gator

gator wrote:bryan, are you being inappropriate?

gator

That's a stupid fecking question........ Of course............ya douche...........piss in ya mouth..........