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in my opinion, a pass through has more to do with the size (kinetic energy) of the arrow than what broadhead is on it.

I've shot 3 kinds of broadheads (thunderhead, steelforce, rage) and have had passthroughs at 40yrds and have had non-passthru shots at 12 yards on all 3 brands. It just depends on where you hit em...etc. etc. I will say back in the day when i was shooting those HUGE aluminum arrows they went alot slower, but would very seldom not pass thru...where these fast small light carbon arrows sometimes do not penetrate as well.

take this for what its worth but I shot a doe this year with G5 montec at about 15 yds on a 63lbs draw weight. she was almost completly angled towards me(i was 30 feet up and she was on the downhill side of a ridge looking at me) entry was next to spine but the angles that were going on allowed my arrow to run almost the entire lenght of her body. exit was back quarter full pass through, came through hind quarter bone and all. almost no blood but piled up after 35 yards. i haven't yet not had full pass thru on any deer i've shot with the montec's, so i'm staying with them, i do put them on a diamond stone to sharpen thou...

How do you know they sharp? How do you check?

sunnylab wrote:in my opinion, a pass through has more to do with the size (kinetic energy) of the arrow than what broadhead is on it.

I've shot 3 kinds of broadheads (thunderhead, steelforce, rage) and have had passthroughs at 40yrds and have had non-passthru shots at 12 yards on all 3 brands. It just depends on where you hit em...etc. etc. I will say back in the day when i was shooting those HUGE aluminum arrows they went alot slower, but would very seldom not pass thru...where these fast small light carbon arrows sometimes do not penetrate as well.

Sunnylab, I agree with the arrow size being the most important part concerning kinetic energy. I shoot a heavy arrow (easton axis) and I've had many passthroughs. The biggest reason that I started this topic was because I wanted to know what kind of reaction you get when the rage hits the offside or frontside shoulder. From what I've heard, the rage break-apart when they hit bone alot of times. I'm just curious. And you'll always have passthroughs at 40 yards compared to 12 yards because many people don't know that there is more kenetic energy running through an arrow at 40 yards than at 12 yards.

D Boe wrote:

sunnylab wrote:in my opinion, a pass through has more to do with the size (kinetic energy) of the arrow than what broadhead is on it.

I've shot 3 kinds of broadheads (thunderhead, steelforce, rage) and have had passthroughs at 40yrds and have had non-passthru shots at 12 yards on all 3 brands. It just depends on where you hit em...etc. etc. I will say back in the day when i was shooting those HUGE aluminum arrows they went alot slower, but would very seldom not pass thru...where these fast small light carbon arrows sometimes do not penetrate as well.

Sunnylab, I agree with the arrow size being the most important part concerning kinetic energy. I shoot a heavy arrow (easton axis) and I've had many passthroughs. The biggest reason that I started this topic was because I wanted to know what kind of reaction you get when the rage hits the offside or frontside shoulder. From what I've heard, the rage break-apart when they hit bone alot of times. I'm just curious. And you'll always have passthroughs at 40 yards compared to 12 yards because many people don't know that there is more kenetic energy running through an arrow at 40 yards than at 12 yards.

Many people don't know it cause it's wrong...

The kinetic energy of an arrow is the energy it has based on its weight and speed and is measured in units of foot-pounds (ft-lbs). For example, an arrow weighing 350 grains and traveling at a speed of 275 fps would have 58.79 ft-lbs of energy. The best way to visualize this is if you shot your arrow vertically into an item weighing one pound it would have the energy to lift that item 58.79 feet.


Kinetic energy is important to archery hunting because it is one of the main factors in determining the penetration capabilities of your arrow. When an arrow is shot it immediately begins to lose velocity because of drag. As the velocity decreases, so will the kinetic energy. This means that your arrow will not have the same kinetic energy when it reaches a target at 40-yards as it does initially.

vicksburg wrote:

D Boe wrote:

sunnylab wrote:in my opinion, a pass through has more to do with the size (kinetic energy) of the arrow than what broadhead is on it.

I've shot 3 kinds of broadheads (thunderhead, steelforce, rage) and have had passthroughs at 40yrds and have had non-passthru shots at 12 yards on all 3 brands. It just depends on where you hit em...etc. etc. I will say back in the day when i was shooting those HUGE aluminum arrows they went alot slower, but would very seldom not pass thru...where these fast small light carbon arrows sometimes do not penetrate as well.

Sunnylab, I agree with the arrow size being the most important part concerning kinetic energy. I shoot a heavy arrow (easton axis) and I've had many passthroughs. The biggest reason that I started this topic was because I wanted to know what kind of reaction you get when the rage hits the offside or frontside shoulder. From what I've heard, the rage break-apart when they hit bone alot of times. I'm just curious. And you'll always have passthroughs at 40 yards compared to 12 yards because many people don't know that there is more kenetic energy running through an arrow at 40 yards than at 12 yards.

Many people don't know it cause it's wrong...

The kinetic energy of an arrow is the energy it has based on its weight and speed and is measured in units of foot-pounds (ft-lbs). For example, an arrow weighing 350 grains and traveling at a speed of 275 fps would have 58.79 ft-lbs of energy. The best way to visualize this is if you shot your arrow vertically into an item weighing one pound it would have the energy to lift that item 58.79 feet.


Kinetic energy is important to archery hunting because it is one of the main factors in determining the penetration capabilities of your arrow. When an arrow is shot it immediately begins to lose velocity because of drag. As the velocity decreases, so will the kinetic energy. This means that your arrow will not have the same kinetic energy when it reaches a target at 40-yards as it does initially.

Vicksburg, I'm not disagreeing with you at all...that post strictly went my my own experiences, not science. It seems like 90% of the deer that I have shot from 30 to 50 yards out have had complete pass throughs with no problem (whether I hit bone or not). But deer that are under 20 yards, only about 60% have been pass throughs. Being that you know the science behind this, can you explain to me why this happens. I'm not disagreeing, just curious as to why this happens. Is is just by chance or is there a reason? Just wondering...

I don't know the science of it either, but when i read your statement it made me wonder, so i looked it up on the web.

All that scientific junk is just an excerpt from an article on kinetic energy that i found...but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night.

vicksburg wrote:I don't know the science of it either, but when i read your statement it made me wonder, so i looked it up on the web.

All that scientific junk is just an excerpt from an article on kinetic energy that i found...but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night.

Thats funny right there!! I don't care who you are.

I went to Simmons a month or two ago and they had two types of rage. The rep was there and showed me a package of 2 blade rages that supposedly had better kinetic energy. They had a number after them or letters.......i can't remember. I just remember him explaining it and asked me which I wanted and I went with the regular ones of which I was familiar with.

i started shooting rage last year and killed a doe wit them and penatrated completely and stuck in the ground, this year i have shot 2 does at 20 yards full penatration on both deer and found no blood on the first 1 and a couple of specks on the second and no deer yet but im shootin the 3 blade and am not recomending them 2 no 1 im goin 2 the grim reaper

I have shot numerous deer with the rage ever since they came out and never really had a problem until yesterday. Doe at 15 steps broadside but would not take that next step I needed for the behind the shoulder shot. Put it right on the shoulder and smack!!!!! No blood noo trace no deer!!! Went back with dog and gave the best effort I could but we found NADA. I will never ever attempt that again and will be swithching to something that will bust bone next year. I hate losing a deer but Sh&t happens.

lilwhitelie wrote:I have shot numerous deer with the rage ever since they came out and never really had a problem until yesterday. Doe at 15 steps broadside but would not take that next step I needed for the behind the shoulder shot. Put it right on the shoulder and smack!!!!! No blood noo trace no deer!!! Went back with dog and gave the best effort I could but we found NADA. I will never ever attempt that again and will be swithching to something that will bust bone next year. I hate losing a deer but Sh&t happens.

MUZZY........BAD THRU THE DANG BONE.......

After shooting approximately 40-50 deer with the Spitfires with no letdowns it finally happened.........twice in one week with a buck and a doe. Shot both at 45 degrees quartering away or better and didn't draw a drop of blood. On the buck only 1 blade was deployed, but that could have happened when the arrow came out. On the buck the arrow went in, but we think it went in between the shoulder and the chest cavity. I am leaving for Kansas this coming Tuesday and am now the proud owner of some 100 grain MX-3 Muzzy's. I already shoot 2413 XX75's, so now I am 100% old school. Can't blame it on the equipment now. Why did I ever change?????????????

Jt

I shot Muzzy 100 grain last year. Killed a doe last year with a complete pass through and sufficient blood trail. She crashed at 100 yards. This year, I missed a massive buck the second week of October using my Muzzys. After beating myself up for hours, I decided to shoot a couple of broadheads at the target. To my dismay, the Muzzys were shooting low and left while my field points were dead on. Hence, the reason for the 15 yard miss. Also, both the Muzzys and field tips were 100 grain. I couldn't understand why they would fly so different. After many thoughts, I decided to switch to rage 2 blade since the man at the store swore they would shoot accurately as field tips. Well, I practiced with the field tip that comes with the rage and it shoots 98% as accurate as my field tips.

I finally got an opportunity to test them for real in the field Monday evening on a nice size doe. I shot dead at her shoulder and the result was a dead on shoulder shot. Partly my fault for shooting so tight at her shoulder, however, it was a solid hit. It did not pass through, but stuck in her as she fled. I could see it sticking out of her shoulder. She broke it off about 15 feet from where I hit her. I found the part that was broken and it was about 5-8 inches from knock. The rest she took with her. I imagine about 20 inches of the arrow. I found a couple of spots of dark blood where I hit her, then nothing else. I searched that night and the next day and no sign of her. No blood, no deer. I hate it. I'm pretty sure the shoulder bone stopped or dampened the speed of the arrow. I did not sharpen ,but shot them out of the package. I am now going to sharpen the hell out of them. I'm going to give them another try because they do seem to shoot accurately. Also, make sure they are secured to the rubber band before shooting. I check and check by waiving the arrow up and down vigoursly before placing in bow.