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kingspointer89 wrote:maybe narwhal's insecure because his wife is so cool and he obviously has to much free time during the day.

Good point--not about the insecure part, but about having to[sic] much free time--probably.

PS: Is kingspointer a bar in Fire Island, New York? The guy that cuts my hair talks about all the good times he had in there.

Hey narwhale.. why not make a point about your wife without being an insulting yankee peepee doing it? Since the thread was about vegetarians who are deeply opposed to hunting, your off base anyway about our 'slack jaws yokel' way of doing things and seeing things... I'd say the people who commented on vegetarians opposed to hunting where probably much more on tract than your pistol carrying veggie eat wife. I'd venture to say your wife is probably much rarer than the types we spoke of to begin with, and besides, the ones opposed to hunting is what the thread is all about anyway.

Why click on a thread on a board thats obviously rooted in a part of the world you view with disgust and disdain? You trying to make us better by being insulting, or just generally like coming off like an "turd-cutter" when trying to make a point? travis

Do you people who think vegitarians are stupid or 'off-track' honestly think you could show someone of far superior intellect the light by pointing out game management theories and using scripture out of context?

Obviously, narwhal, your wife isn't the type of person that would need to hear the positive aspects that hunting has.

But I wouldn't go so far as to categorize every hunter as being far less superior to vegetarian, pistol-packing lawyers. Just as I wouldn't categorize vegetarians as stupid, close-minded people.

The situation I'm faced with is a vegetarian, who was almost definitely raised on a farm and ate meat at every meal, but has since changed her views and now thinks hunting is an outrage. There is a way, somehow, to explain to these types of people that hunting is necessary, and helpful to our society.

Wingman

Hey narwhale.. why not make a point about your wife without being an insulting yankee peepee doing it? Since the thread was about vegetarians who are deeply opposed to hunting, your off base anyway about our 'slack jaws yokel' way of doing things and seeing things... I'd say the people who commented on vegetarians opposed to hunting where probably much more on tract than your pistol carrying veggie eat wife. I'd venture to say your wife is probably much rarer than the types we spoke of to begin with, and besides, the ones opposed to hunting is what the thread is all about anyway.

I am from the capitol of the Confederacy, not the part that lost the War. You might should have commented, "coming across like a Yankee peepee" instead of "being a Yankee peepee." Your second sentence makes no sense. Your third is an opinion and the fourth may be true.

Why click on a thread on a board thats obviously rooted in a part of the world you view with disgust and disdain? You trying to make us better by being insulting, or just generally like coming off like an "turd-cutter" when trying to make a point? travis[/quote]

Why not? For sport--its a free country remember? I generally do try to make people better, but the insulting was just to get a rise in response to what I perceived as ingorant logic. Worked apparently.

Hmmmm Hey fellas this sounds like that person (unnamed) that boasted he had 5 different signon's.... He mentioned "try and stop me from posting"


So lets ignore those posts and see him go away...


Just my thoughts

Ken

Genesis 1
26Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

If someone chooses to be vegetarian that is fine, but if someone chooses to starve themselves (an image of God) so that an animal can live it is not right.

Oh, so insulting everyone was to get a rise cause its fun. Ok, I'll play. Maybe yur old lady is a vegetraian because she's never had any real meat. Perhaps if a good old boy slipped her some meat, she'd cum on around. How's that? travis

I've been away for a few days... "scripture out of context"??? The question is about the legitimacy of killing animals for the good of mankind. The references i made were specific instances where God allowed death to animals for the good of people. Therefore, if God signs off on something, don't be telling me it ain't right.

narwhal,

I am not sure in which state you reside, nor do I really care. In my opinion, you offer nothing of constructive value to this thread (except to insult people) and should leave us "yokels" to our discussion. If you wish to communicate further, please correspond in a civilized fashion.

As you apparently enjoy pointing out the shortcomings of the writing of others, you should "remove the beam from your own eye before trying to remove the speck from someone else's eye." Note the second sentence in your second paragraph has misspelled "candidates." Also note the last section of your last sentence in the second paragraph does not make any sense and does not reflect well on your educational background (whatever it may be).

As a final thought, we do not care about your favorite menu or beverage items. Please just go eat and drink by yourself or with your "pistol packin' Momma" who probably wears the pants in your family.

(To the other people on this site, I apologize for this, but I just had to get a few things off my chest. I am finished replying to this thread.)

brake man

Just an attempt to drag the conversation back to the point, that is, how do you deal with an anti-hunter vegan?

First off, I'd forget the hunting as a management tool discussion. It takes too long and is too complicated. Most folks ain't gonna listen to it all.

I have this converstation often. A lot of my friends over the years have been of the anti-hunting variety. While I don't think I have ever converted any, I know I have made them think and perhaps soften their stance a bit.

Start off with a few questions to see if your anti believes if all killing for meat is wrong or not, and if they feel that vegetarianism is natural for a human. Ask if they believe in a higher power that created our world. Ask them if they think wildlife would be better off without man's intervention.

Many of these folks only want to tell you their side of it, without listening to yours (ours). I feel it is important to listen quietly to their side as long as they want to jabber, so that, when they begin to interrupt you, you can remind them that you listened to them and request they extend the same favor to you. Also, by listening to their logic, you may find holes to poke.

See if they believe that humans are part of the animal world. Then, gently ask them if we should kill all predators, like fox, wolves, owls, hawks, bears, coyotes, etc. as these natural predators kill for meat. If they don't want to kill these predators, find out why not (they'll revert to the "natural" argument, Mother Nature, etc, probably. If they do good, as this will be useful later.). Once they agree that killing for meat is okay for predators, it's time to explain to them what humans are, and why we are that way.

Herbivores are the vegetarians of the animal world, and are prey. Carnivores eat only meat, and are the predators, while omnivores eat both meat and vegetable matter, and are also predators. By design, humans are omnivores and definitely predators, NOT prey nor herbivores. We have predator eyes - designed by the higher power they will probably profess a belief in. Our eyes are like those of a typical predator, set in front, looking forward. Prey species typically have eyes that are set on the side of the head, so that their peripheral vision can see almost behind them (like a duck's eyes). Human's have the dental structure of an omnivore. Those front incisors and the canine teeth are designed for cutting and tearing meat. The rear teeth are designed for grinding grain, so we, by design, are predators and omnivores. The vegetarians are living an unnatural lifestyle, ignoring the wisdom of their creator (if they believe in such things) who designed them as omnivores.

If you get the "cruel and inhumane" issue of hunting, remind them how the natural world deals with the issue. Predators are cruel! A hawk will catch a baby squirrel, roll him on his back, pop his belly open and begin to eat his entrails while the squealing squirrel watches himself being consumed while still alive (I've seen this one)! Wolves will attack in packs, singling out one weak animal, wearing it down until they can move in for the kill. As a predator, a human hunter is perhaps the most "humane" and less cruel than any Mother Nature has devised.

It may be easier to explain how we are killing the "excess" animals than attempting any explanation of wildlife mangement techiniques. The latter sounds like smoke and mirrors, while the following explanation might get 'em to understand just a bit. We will use a farm as our habitat, and rabbits as our species to learn from. Start in the spring. Arbitrarily we will use a figure of 600 rabbits in the spring. As the plants bloom and grow, food and cover (allows them to hide from natural predators) is abundant and the rabbits breed and do very well. By late summer, the farm is holding 1000 rabbits (these figures are for demonstration purposes only). As fall approaches, Mother Nature plays a cruel trick on the 1000 rabbits. Their food and cover begin to die and wither, depriving them of food and hide from the predators, which can now pick them off easier. As winter settles in, less food = weaker rabbits who must eat more and travel further to find food, less cover = more predator food. Guess what? By spring, the farm is now holding 600 rabbits again - and all without hunting. Those 400 rabbits are the excess from which we hunt. The only way for the farm to hold more rabbits is to, (1) expand the acreage (available habitat), (2) enhance the habitat (grow more food and cover) (3) remove the predators. Even removing the predators will still cause some of the animals to starve as the food source dies off during the winter months. The predators (and hunters) must kill off the excess to save them from a lingering, suffering death by starvation.

This is also a great argument for those nitwits that think they are doing some noble deed by "rescuing" rabbits (and other prey species), rehabilitating them and return them to the wild. All they are doing is feeding the predators, cause a bunny (chipmunk, squirrel, duck etc.) is little more than dinner for the predators of the world. If they really want more prey species in the world, they could better spend their money expanding and/or enhancing habitat.

Here is where you can gently introduce how many more animals are around today than were in the early days of this country. Deer, turkey, and Canada geese are some of the success stories, where their population grew - financed by hunters' monies. Dispel the myth that American used to be wall-to-wall animals, oh say during the American Revolution. Remind them how George Washington's men starved to death at Valley Forge, PA during the fall and winter of 1777-1778. How could the nation's best sharpshooters, all armed, starve in a land teeming with wildlife? They wouldn't have starved had the game been plentiful. It wasn't then but is now, thanks to hunters.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Like I said "until some other animals in the kingdom step up and figure out how to take humans out then WE ARE THE TOP PREDATOR". We as in hunters, but non-hunting, no meat eating people are not at the top nor have they earned their spot in the world. they are just like the cows we dine on, grazing on ruffage not knowing or caring when the day will come.

That day came for a part time vegan friend of mine one day when she decided that the honey ham my mom was cooking smelled to good to pass up. She had decided to go vegan for a couple years when the sight of about sixteen pounds of various meats were steaming on the Christmas dinner table and it grossed her out. I think if God had put us here to graze we'd be walking around on all fours never looking to the distance wondering what the horizon had behind it.

is narwhal (a.k.a. numnutz) the legend known as BENNY????

later bigballer

mallardhunter.............well said.

That should shut up some of the grazers that support PETA.

bigwater, I don't think thats Benny. He didn't use enough four-letter words.

bigwater, I don't think thats Benny. He didn't use enough four-letter words.

Goose, everyone was thinking it, and you were the only one to say it.LMAO