Extended season

[dos gris]

Meeka-

You show your ignorance by not being able to comprehend the first sentence in my post. Furthermore, you should have asked if you weren't sure, before spewing from the mouth. However, I think the context and origin were pretty clear.

I think I deserve an apology.

Oh, thanks Micah for trying to clarify.

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: dos gris ]

[jebster]

If anyone thinks that politics has nothing to do with wildlife regulations, think again. As a clear, close to home example, who sets the deer season regs in Mississippi ? The State Legislature ! No politics ?? Come on !

For years the Northern States in the Mississippi Flyway had adopted the attitude that "their" ducks were being slaughtered in great numbers by the Southern States in the flyway. Consequently, we have been robbed of equality by polictics. There has never been any studies conducted which confirmed our slaughtering of "their" ducks.

When we finally got our "extended" season, we were politically punished by being forced to having a reduced season of 51 days. Again, this was based on no facts, but was strictly political. Basically, we were not allowed to have what we asked for.

Now our representatives in Washington have sought to level the playing field. And yes, it was done politically. But the result has been negating the unfair polical system which unfairly penalized us in the first place.

The bottom line is that there has never been any kind of study done to evaluate the impact of an extended season. The common theory is that this season structure poses no harm to waterfowl populations. That is, of course, unless you live 300 miles north of here and above.

I say hats off to our Senators and Congressmen for keeping us in line with every body else.

[HDC]

I agree politics should not be involved, but IT IS and we can't do anything about that.

I greatly appreciate what our senators and congressmen have done for us, and fully support them on this issue.

To hell with those yankee hunters up north. How would they like if the government said that the season could not open until mid-Nov., unless they were willing to accept a shorter season?

Saying that our reps should not be doing this is as ridiculous as saying that we should not be spreading violence by bombing Afganistan. We did not make the rules that govern this game, and I don't think we can change those rules. So, we either chose not to play because we don't like the rules (and let others walk all over us) or we accept the rules as they are and use them to our advantage.

[dos gris]

Jebster:

First off, this topic refers to waterfowl...deer and other resident game are not the issue here.

"When we finally got our "extended" season, we were politically punished by being forced to having a reduced season of 51 days. Again, this was based on no facts, but was strictly political. Basically, we were not allowed to have what we asked for."

So, what happens next time when it doesn't get "negated"?

HDC:

I am fully aware that politcs do play a role. And I want to clarify here once again (especially for Meeka) that I am undecided on the extended season. So, if it has no adverse affects on waterfowl populations I could care less. I kill my ducks either way. And I also couldn't care less about the Yankee hunters. However, I think a lot of people are letting their excitment for the extended season justify the means by which we reached it. Just because it worked in our favor this time doesn't mean it will next. Remember that!

This is exactly why the AHM system was created. To set season and bag limits fairly based on biological research (on a flyway level) and eliminate political favoritism. These moves by our government representatives will only end up underminding this process.

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: dos gris ]

[jebster]

Dos Gris, for clarification, I think it is a bad process to involve politics into wildlife issues. However, since it is "government" who is in charge of this, politics are going to decide. Look at CRP, WRP, etc as examples. These programs were drawn up, debated and voted in by politicians. They are highly political.

I have long supported an idea, that to show our good faith, we should take the 60 day season but also compromise with a 5 duck, daily bag limit. This would offset the "dreamland" theory of whomever opposes us. To me, the essence of duck hunting is the joy and exhiliration of being in the field, not how many ducks I bag. I would prefer the 9 days more hunting opportunities, than 1 more duck. That's just me and others may disagree.

But, in the end, it is all in the hands of the politicians, from top to bottom. How do the top wildlife officials land their jobs ? By political appointments. At least we are lucky enough to have some strong politicians to keep us from being trampled on by the larger, and more wealthy states. I, in no way, wish to sacrifice good wildlife management practices. But this is the hand we have been dealt.

[Greenhead22]

Depending on the opportunities that certain people have to hunt, either the 51 or 60 day season is ok. I really could care less because I get off 26 days during Christmas and duck hunt everyday to make up for lost weekday opportunities. The majority of the duck hunters are weekend hunters, so this 3 session season is best because it offers the most weekends allowed in the framework. Either way if it's a 51 or 60 day season, there are going to be lost days anyway.

[HDC]

GH22,

That is the most passive BS I have ever seen you post on this message board. Sounds like something those screwballs in Berkley California would post.

Being a State grad., I have usually quietly taken your side on here, but I am starting to agree with the Ole Miss boyz.........I think you are dellusional.

51 vs 60 days does matter, and you should care........unless you are so self-centered that you do not!!!!!!

[Greenhead22]

HDC, if we get the 60-day season, we will still have lost days early in the season when there are no ducks. Hunters have complained year after year about the 60-day season until we got the 51-day season, and that made 90% of the hunters very happy. Well you say the 60 day season gives us nine more days to hunt, which is good, but we will not take advantage of it due to work or no ducks in the first week or last week of season. There may be a few people that get their ducks early, early in the season, and they will take advantage of the early season date but not later in the season when their ducks are gone. But where I hunt I usually don't see a duck til the 2nd week in Dec., so the 60-day season will not help myself or other duck clubs in my area.

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: Greenhead22 ]

[GulfCoast]

Our local mottled ducks and grayducks don't migrate. I can go bust 'em right now were the season open. I don't know if I have ducks on my lease in the delta, but would be surprised if we did not.

[Meeka]

You want it, you got it. Drum roll, please . . . . I apologize Dos Gris.

Since Specks are not on your mind, well talk duck seasons. I just assumed your position was identical to that espoused in the article. Now you say you are undecided. Let's talk again after you have made up your mind whether or not you like Mississippians having 60 days with and end date of 1/31/02. I shouldn't have criticized you while you were on the fence.

For the record and everyone else, I agree with a lot of what everyone has posted, even Ole GH22. He is right, there won't be a lot of ducks killed in the first 9 days of a 60 day season. I also agree with this Jester guy: "When we finally got our "extended" season, we were politically punished by being forced to having a reduced season of 51 days." - the point is that it was politics, not biology, that forced us to have fewer days in the first place. Now, when we try to right the wrong through politics, we are criticized. Sounds ironic, even hypocritical. (calm down Dos Gris, I am not calling you a hypocrit!).

And oh yeah, I want to talk to you after the Rebels leave red stick.

[dos gris]

Meeka-

apology accepted.

No opinion, undecided...its all the same to me. The extended season just doesn't affect my hunting situation to any great degree. But I certailnly understand why others favor it. I have the luxury of hunting in 2 states and therfore get enough opportunity to fullfill my needs.

[Anatidae]

Ya see, Dos Gris.....I told you yesterday, that you were gonna stir-up serious 'poop' with this one. GOOD JOB! [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

I haven't even gotten around to reading any of it, though......'been trainin' folks to 'pee' on their left foot, on another thread. [img]images/smiles/icon_razz.gif[/img]

You said it was real QUIET? Hah...that was yesterday! Way to go, mes ami! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[ October 19, 2001: Message edited by: Anatidae ]

[dos gris]

I know I know. I just had to do it. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]


Say Anat- did you get the pm I sent you a couple of days ago?

[Dutch Dog]

My question is this. Why should we by "punished" if you will, for having a later closing date? The folks up north of here are getting their 60 day season and they have ducks from day 1. We in turn don't get the BIG push of ducks until (traditionally) some time around the 2nd week of January. I am from as far north in Mississippi as you can get before crossing over into Tennessee, so it's even worse for those of you who are from farther south in the state. We see 30 days worth of what they get 60 days of. There are quite a few ducks here by Jan 1, with, as I stated earlier, the BIG push yet to come. I don't care if politics are in it. One thing politicians are there for is to look out for the best interests of the citizens who put them there. In this case we are getting shafted by having our season cut. If we were to get season dates set from Jan 1 to Feb 28 then and only then would we see what the folks up north see year over year, but that would NEVER happen so we SHOULD get those 9 days back and I don't care how it gets done.

[pushpole]

Right tthe bat I would like to set something straight--work does get inthe way of my hobbies. It does pay for them though. most of us have to make a living some how. As for as the extension on hunting season, i'm all for it. I will continue to support Trant and Thad as they have at least most of the time supported the hunters. If politics has to be involved and it must, I'm just glad Mississippi has Senators that suuport our sport.

My duck calls are out to those guys.

e m r ducks
e m r not
o s a r
c e m wangs
e m r ducks
you call I'll shoot! K

Have a good debate.
pushpole