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Well I always took it as kennel being a command, not a request. If the pup has been told to kennel evrytime he goes in and the outcome is the same with th dog always going in I don't see the problem. I haven't forced my dog to kennel, prob never will, but in extreme cases I could see where LIGHT forcing with a heeling stick to kennel would be a last ditch effort if the dog is totally unrelenting in jumping up. I just took it upon myself to never help my pup go up and down stairs and let him figure it out. Perhaps the dog had a bad experience in it's puppy stages with a truck bed or something of the sort? My dog had a bad experince with my g/f pool and won't go near it. It only takes once in that crucial time in the puppy stage for it to get messed up.

sipseyduck wrote:Back your truck up in a ditch or something to lower the tailgate and let the pup do that a couple of times to build confidence.

Sounds like a good idea, my girl will on occassion jump into the back, but she is also small and easy to lift in.

I always just got the other dogs to load up and they will break their fears by wanting to do what the other dogs do. I had one that just couldn't figure out he could jump when it got time to load up. We did all the before mentioned and finally I came to the conclusion that if he don't want to jump in then he sure want jump out with the tailgate up. To me that was more beneficial than the mofo jumping in the truck. One day he got tired of me grabbing a handful of hair above his rear and started doing it on his own. I always travel with him in a kennel, but not having to worry about him bailing out while the truck is sitting there comes in handy sometimes.

nothin like driving off without em.........make em run a mile or so......gets them excited about jumpin in !! This of course comes after you lured with hotdogs successfully, bought your volvo ...... ect..... Or you could try it first.......good way to tell how much you can motivate the dog and convince the dog that he wants to !! That sounds like a description for dog training ...diehard style ..... i think I have another one to add to the dictionary

hgh wrote....there are many dogs that aren't going to do the whoola whoop for a cold !@# duck that they have already retrieved... like I said, Id be thru feeding them. HAving had lots of dogs of various drive levels and breedings, I can honeslty say Ive never seen one worth feeding that would rather have a hot dog than a duck. Besides, Im a lot more likely to have a bumper or a duck with me. travis

would "forcing" to kennel not potentially undermine what you are hoping to accomplish when debolting the dog?

gator

Damn gator... good point. Never thought of that. Who woulda thunk it... took a brewmaster to come up with that question...

I start my pups with the kennel and load command during crate training with dog biscuits. By the time they are 3 months old they are barreling into the crate. I make them want to go into the box and love every second of it.

I transfer it to the truck. But I back the truck up to a slope in a hill where the dog can just about walk onto the tail gate, and slowly move it away from the slope or move to a different location to increase the height. Just remember with a pup that jumping out of the truck puts too much pressure on developing bones and the same with older dogs. My oldest lab 13) is basically crippled now and her hunting career ended four or five years ago from jumping out of the truck. She destroyed her front shoulder and elbow. Just landed wrong I guess. Now I put a ramp up for her and the older male. The younger dogs just jump up there....

I threw a bumper in the truck one day and she jumped to go get it. After that I have never picked her up again. I say kennel and she does as she is told.

here is the update......

she is doing alot better now, now she will jump up, sometimes by herself, most of the time i have to just touch her ear, she learned quickly, but we are gettin there.

Sure it is the height that is getting her. I had issues with this and my lifted truck. Throwing the dummy into the bed of the truck backed against a porch or hill to reduce the height got him over this.

I am having this same problem with my 5 1/2 month old male. I use "kennel up" to get in the back of the truck. He will get into the back of my wifes explorer no problem, so it has to be a height issue...

muddinram2duck wrote:Sure it is the height that is getting her. I had issues with this and my lifted truck. Throwing the dummy into the bed of the truck backed against a porch or hill to reduce the height got him over this.

I am having this same problem with my 5 1/2 month old male. I use "kennel up" to get in the back of the truck. He will get into the back of my wifes explorer no problem, so it has to be a height issue...

I first started with my brothers pathfinder, she did that fine, now its the truck that we are gettin use to...