2007 Wildrose British Open Retriever Championship
I was actually not talking about ckc, but there are other folks working to set up a series of British style tests. Not to compete with other organizations as "better" but more like "another feather in a dogs cap."
So many ducks, so little time....
HRCH (500) UH Ellie Mae MH (2005-2017)
HRCH Tipsy MH
Zsa-Zsa Puppy
HRCH (500) UH Ellie Mae MH (2005-2017)
HRCH Tipsy MH
Zsa-Zsa Puppy
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Copiah Creek
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Travis
I ran seasoned at Ponchartrain this weekend and ( titled) my female so i quess its on to finished at SF. But there was a WildRose (BRIT) who ran,,,and is suppose to run at the British Test or Trial,,the owner was a heck of a nice guy and really loved that little dog,,but the dog fell apart on him , and tried to go self employed,,,,and sho was not calm and laid back,,,,i aint coming down on owner or dog ,,,but if he can run it my, ALL AMERICAN CAN PLAY that game ,,,,,i wish we could all go !
I ran seasoned at Ponchartrain this weekend and ( titled) my female so i quess its on to finished at SF. But there was a WildRose (BRIT) who ran,,,and is suppose to run at the British Test or Trial,,the owner was a heck of a nice guy and really loved that little dog,,but the dog fell apart on him , and tried to go self employed,,,,and sho was not calm and laid back,,,,i aint coming down on owner or dog ,,,but if he can run it my, ALL AMERICAN CAN PLAY that game ,,,,,i wish we could all go !
HRCH UH Hope Spring's Dowry MH*** aka Fatty
HRCH UH Hill Top's Stealing Cinderella MH aka Punkin
HRCH Gator Point's Swamp Water MH aka Rain
HRCH UH Hill Top's Stealing Cinderella MH aka Punkin
HRCH Gator Point's Swamp Water MH aka Rain
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That dog will need a lot more OB to win in Oxford.
The handler will get an opportunity to handle his/her dog to the fall and the dog will be allowed to "hunt up" in the fall of the area, but from what I can tell from Copiah's remarks, this guys dog will not make it very long in the trail. The dog will be allowed a certain amount of time to hunt in the fall of the area. If the dog does not come up with the game then it is called back to the line and another dog is sent.
Who know's, dogs work great one day, and will act as though they have forgotten everything the next.
The handler will get an opportunity to handle his/her dog to the fall and the dog will be allowed to "hunt up" in the fall of the area, but from what I can tell from Copiah's remarks, this guys dog will not make it very long in the trail. The dog will be allowed a certain amount of time to hunt in the fall of the area. If the dog does not come up with the game then it is called back to the line and another dog is sent.
Who know's, dogs work great one day, and will act as though they have forgotten everything the next.
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I did not knock the DOG or HANDLER,,,,,but i have trained both brits and american,,,,,i just dont agree that brits can handle our test BUT our american dogs can not handle BRITISH test,,,,,,i would like to know how much of the test is in water,,,,,,,since you are testing WATER DOGS !
IT was only my opinion not the American Labrador against the British Labrador,,,besides the british,american war was settled a long time ago!
And like Travis i would love to be there,BUT southern flight is the same weekend so thats where i will be. If you are running it I wish you all the BEST.
IT was only my opinion not the American Labrador against the British Labrador,,,besides the british,american war was settled a long time ago!
And like Travis i would love to be there,BUT southern flight is the same weekend so thats where i will be. If you are running it I wish you all the BEST.
HRCH UH Hope Spring's Dowry MH*** aka Fatty
HRCH UH Hill Top's Stealing Cinderella MH aka Punkin
HRCH Gator Point's Swamp Water MH aka Rain
HRCH UH Hill Top's Stealing Cinderella MH aka Punkin
HRCH Gator Point's Swamp Water MH aka Rain
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Who knows man... maybe the dog had the worst day of his life. God knows lots of dogs have had the best day of their life at the proper time... I can rememeber LOTS of dogs having a really bad day at bad times.
B3 won the wildrose trial with a seasoned dog. Then went back and trained the dog. So it can defiently be done. travis
B3 won the wildrose trial with a seasoned dog. Then went back and trained the dog. So it can defiently be done. travis
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If you want to play a different game then come and play. With all things in the dog world I use the same criteria about what games we play. That criteria is "are we having fun?" I consider the WR event fun so I play it every year.
Comparing a brit dogs performance in a hunt test or a HT dogs performance first time out in the WR event is totally meaningless as a measure of whether one is "better". They are totally different games. I could go on and on regarding the differences but a MH has the potential to look just as foolish at the WR event as a british FTCH does at a finished test.
I suspect the reason the brit dog melted down at a hunt test was related to the fact that there was tons of scent spread all over the place. A brit trained dog relies heavily on its nose and is not trained to run static tests where all dogs run over the same ground time after time. They are trained to work over fresh ground and are blown away by dragback and birdboy scent if they've never been exposed to it.
The dog that won the WR trial several years ago was a FTCH and that was her game. She was able to do solid seasoned HT work but never ran a finished test because it wouldn't have been fair to her and would have been ugly to watch since she wasn't trained for it. My other brit dog is a HRCH and has never done better than 4th in that event.
The WR event I feel is fun but even though I've run it 4 times I have a difficult time switching over to their style. If you run it and handle like a hunt test you will likely not fare well. If you're dog can line a under the arc down the shore water blind it won't matter because you won't be running one in this event. If you let your dog hunt and hunt for a little brown feathered bumper mark in the 3 foot high sage grass and DON'T handle early to avoid disturbing other cover you'll not do well. If your dog takes the most precise literal cast it won't do you any good while the dog is out of sight 30 yds back in the woods and can't see you. Its a different game with different strategy and training and its totally different than hunt tests for many reasons. Its not better or worse IMO its just different. If you come to it fresh from HT training and don't learn the differences it might be frustrating. The more I learn the differences with their game the more challenging it is to play. I find that aspect fun so I will continue to try and run the event if I can.
Bill
Comparing a brit dogs performance in a hunt test or a HT dogs performance first time out in the WR event is totally meaningless as a measure of whether one is "better". They are totally different games. I could go on and on regarding the differences but a MH has the potential to look just as foolish at the WR event as a british FTCH does at a finished test.
I suspect the reason the brit dog melted down at a hunt test was related to the fact that there was tons of scent spread all over the place. A brit trained dog relies heavily on its nose and is not trained to run static tests where all dogs run over the same ground time after time. They are trained to work over fresh ground and are blown away by dragback and birdboy scent if they've never been exposed to it.
The dog that won the WR trial several years ago was a FTCH and that was her game. She was able to do solid seasoned HT work but never ran a finished test because it wouldn't have been fair to her and would have been ugly to watch since she wasn't trained for it. My other brit dog is a HRCH and has never done better than 4th in that event.
The WR event I feel is fun but even though I've run it 4 times I have a difficult time switching over to their style. If you run it and handle like a hunt test you will likely not fare well. If you're dog can line a under the arc down the shore water blind it won't matter because you won't be running one in this event. If you let your dog hunt and hunt for a little brown feathered bumper mark in the 3 foot high sage grass and DON'T handle early to avoid disturbing other cover you'll not do well. If your dog takes the most precise literal cast it won't do you any good while the dog is out of sight 30 yds back in the woods and can't see you. Its a different game with different strategy and training and its totally different than hunt tests for many reasons. Its not better or worse IMO its just different. If you come to it fresh from HT training and don't learn the differences it might be frustrating. The more I learn the differences with their game the more challenging it is to play. I find that aspect fun so I will continue to try and run the event if I can.
Bill
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I wasn't implying that you were. If I came off that way it was not intentional.Copiah Creek wrote:I did not knock the DOG or HANDLER,,,,,but i have trained both brits and american,,,,,i just dont agree that brits can handle our test BUT our american dogs can not handle BRITISH test,,,,,,i would like to know how much of the test is in water,,,,,,,since you are testing WATER DOGS !
IT was only my opinion not the American Labrador against the British Labrador,,,besides the british,american war was settled a long time ago!
And like Travis i would love to be there,BUT southern flight is the same weekend so thats where i will be. If you are running it I wish you all the BEST.
B3,
Good write up and check your PM's on the Holding Blind.
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The Seventh Annual Wildrose International Retriever Championship
The Seventh Annual Wildrose International Retriever Championship is fast approaching. On March 31st, the competition will take on a new dimension. This year the championship will be sanctioned by the Continental Kennel Club and it will be this kennel club’s first National Retriever Championship. The winner of this year’s competition will receive the CKC title of CFCh, Continental Field Champion, (honorary because the dogs running this year will be accepted without prior qualification at a club competition which is planned for the future).
The trial will consist of the following environmental: water, fields and woodlands. The series will include a walk up, a simulated driven and a water test. Each may involve gunfire, single and double marks and single blinds.
Judging criteria includes:
Steadiness
Handling and controllability
Honoring
Quiet handling
Marking
Hunting ability
Lining
Heel work
Eliminating faults include:
Running in/breaking
Failure to retrieve
Hunting out of control
Interference with another retriever
Failure to enter the water
Switching
Hunting out of the area
For more details, see a complete set of competition rules established for this trial at http://www.ckc.org and a copy will be available at the trial. Registration will begin at 8:00 a.m. and the trial will begin at 9:00 a.m. The fee for running in the trial is $35. All breeds are welcome. Current health papers are required indicating required inoculations for Parvo, Rabies, and Bordatella.
To qualify to earn the CKC title will require being registered with the Continental Kennel Club. Registration can be done on site for a nominal fee. Registration papers and photo id of the handler are required for this registration. The owner of record or member(s )of the immediate family must be the participant who handles the dog in the trial.
Lunch can be purchased on the grounds.
Observers are welcome at no charge.
Wildrose vet techs will be present to assist with problems which may arise.
No bitches in heat may be on the grounds at any time.
All dogs, both competing and on the grounds, must be on a lead at all times unless under the judge.
The Seventh Annual Wildrose International Retriever Championship is fast approaching. On March 31st, the competition will take on a new dimension. This year the championship will be sanctioned by the Continental Kennel Club and it will be this kennel club’s first National Retriever Championship. The winner of this year’s competition will receive the CKC title of CFCh, Continental Field Champion, (honorary because the dogs running this year will be accepted without prior qualification at a club competition which is planned for the future).
The trial will consist of the following environmental: water, fields and woodlands. The series will include a walk up, a simulated driven and a water test. Each may involve gunfire, single and double marks and single blinds.
Judging criteria includes:
Steadiness
Handling and controllability
Honoring
Quiet handling
Marking
Hunting ability
Lining
Heel work
Eliminating faults include:
Running in/breaking
Failure to retrieve
Hunting out of control
Interference with another retriever
Failure to enter the water
Switching
Hunting out of the area
For more details, see a complete set of competition rules established for this trial at http://www.ckc.org and a copy will be available at the trial. Registration will begin at 8:00 a.m. and the trial will begin at 9:00 a.m. The fee for running in the trial is $35. All breeds are welcome. Current health papers are required indicating required inoculations for Parvo, Rabies, and Bordatella.
To qualify to earn the CKC title will require being registered with the Continental Kennel Club. Registration can be done on site for a nominal fee. Registration papers and photo id of the handler are required for this registration. The owner of record or member(s )of the immediate family must be the participant who handles the dog in the trial.
Lunch can be purchased on the grounds.
Observers are welcome at no charge.
Wildrose vet techs will be present to assist with problems which may arise.
No bitches in heat may be on the grounds at any time.
All dogs, both competing and on the grounds, must be on a lead at all times unless under the judge.
B3 has given about the most clear description of the Wildrose test that I have seen on any of the sites. I am mainly a lurker but have three Wildrose dogs. I don't do hunt tests, but will be running in the Wildrose test this year for fun. My dogs do what I want them to do, the two older dogs are in my eyes perfect for the style of hunting I do and I enjoy the low force style of training that the Wildrose program is based around. I have had the opportunity to train with some of the Irish and British trainers that Mike consulted with as he incorporated their style of training into his own program. I had a lot of fun and learned some techniques that have definetly improved the quality...again in my eyes of the way my dog handles the hunt.
As far as the association...if you want to call it that with the CKC, first off the CKC contacted Wildrose becasue they liked the style of his test. Second Wildrose acted only as a consultant to help the CKC get their tests off the ground then is backing away. The CKC test will be totally managed by CKC and not Wildrose.
As far as the association...if you want to call it that with the CKC, first off the CKC contacted Wildrose becasue they liked the style of his test. Second Wildrose acted only as a consultant to help the CKC get their tests off the ground then is backing away. The CKC test will be totally managed by CKC and not Wildrose.
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