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Even after all this hoopla, it still looks like a simple, plain, cut and dry situation to me. Powe didn't take care of his school work, and the NCAA penalized him for it.

Greenhead22 wrote:Even after all this hoopla, it still looks like a simple, plain, cut and dry situation to me. Powe didn't take care of his school work, and the NCAA penalized him for it.

Careful there 22. You don't want to cloud an emotional argument with facts now do you.

gh22..... the issue isn't that he was denied, it was in the manner that he was denied and others weren't, and that no reason was given for his denial. The accusation is that he cheated, however, they are offering no proof, and since there is no NCAA rule (yet) as to how many courses you can pass in a given amount of time, no rule about the definition of a teacher, and no rule about alot of other things that they (the NCAA) is throwing out. The whole situation is bigger than Powe and Ole Miss...... it is about the haves and the have nots.

Here are a few things to ponder about the current situation with Powe, Olee Miss, and the NCAA. Would any of the Ole Miss faithful be crying foul if Powe were not such a good athlete? Would you be joining hands with the ACLU and others screaming foul concerning his education? But for his athletic ability I dare say none of you would give a damn about his lot in life. He would be just another student who was passed over by the system and will now end up on welfare and food stamps. Hotty toddy and let's go to the Grove for the big game.

The point is Powe shouldn't be dealing with this now. It should have been dealt with when he was in elementary school. But for all the kids to be caught before they slip through the cracks requires money which means your taxes will have to be raised to fund the special services that would be required in the pre-k, kindergarten, and elementary levels.

RAISE TAXES???? HELL NO!!!! To which I would reply you are a hypocrit. This is not the fault of Ole Miss or the NCAA, but the public school system. And not so much their fault as it is a lack of funding.

I know what I am talking about as I have aphasia and a short term visual memory sequencing disorder that would have meant I could never have learned to read or write without intervention. Fortunately, my parents were astute enough to recognize it and financially strong enough to pay for me to have 2 years of pre-elementary instruction at the DuBard School at USM. Without that intervention, I would have been passed through the system just like Powe.

I would expect everyone who is now crying foul over Powe's situation to write their elected officials and demand that education be adequately funded and that special educaton be made a priority. Imagine the good that can come from this now that you have been enlightened and see the need. But if you are not motivated to action by this ask yourself why you care.

In the final analysis if your answer is, "Because he sure can play ball", then shame on you. There are countless other children in the same situations who can't play ball that would benefit by your motivation.

Hotty Toddy, Go State, and Give 'em Hell USM. Just don't bother me unless the kid can play ball.

Not to change the subject, but it's similar in discussion. My mom teaches 9th grade health at the high school. They just got their math and reading test results in from some testing awhile back, and you wouldn't believe the % of the entire 9th grade class that are on a 5th grade reading level. It's sad that our teachers today are passing these kids along instead of actually teaching them how to read and write.

The issue is not as cut and dried as "he didn't do his work, so he got denied". While that was certainly the case when he came out of high school and was denied before that first fall, causing him to attend Hargrave instead, this time around he followed the written rules of the NCAA and UM eligibility requirements and completed the necessary requirements.

The NCAA is challenging approx. 2-3 correspondence courses he took from BYU, essentially saying that he completed the courses too fast with too much help, despite the contrary testimony of both Powe and the teacher/proctor. Basically, the NCAA is accusing the teacher and Powe of acadenic fraud. The teacher/proctor is livid with the decision and plan to file a lawsuit against the NCAA. The NCAA has already approved two athletes who took these same exact courses with Powe, during the same time period, with the same teacher/proctor assisting ---Keiland Williams of LSU and Hazelton who signed with USC ---all three went to Hargrave.

By my logic, if Powe doesn't get in, then they should not get in either. Why the difference? I have still not heard a logical explanation for this hypocrisy from the NCAA, and doubt that we ever will. It appears that the NCAA is making up the rules as it goes along with respect to Powe, applying subjective standards that it does not and has not applied to other prospective student athletes, most likley in violation of the ADA (the reason for the ACLU and other special interest lawyers in this case). This scenario is why everyone is so upset about this deal. With Tuberville (and other opposing coaches and Slive) in the background advocating for his denial, it only adds salt to the wound.

Ole Miss has historically gotten rear-ended by the NCAA on pretty much every decision that would matter to improve or benefit UM's athletic program. I suspect that if Powe had these same credentials, but signed with Auburn, LSU, or Alabama, we would not be having this discussion. He would have been approved and already playing.

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:Ole Miss has historically gotten rear-ended by the NCAA on pretty much every decision that would matter to improve or benefit UM's athletic program. I suspect that if Powe had these same credentials, but signed with Auburn, LSU, or Alabama, we would not be having this discussion. He would have been approved and already playing.

Do you think the NCAA might be punishing MS schools for the confederate flag in the state flag or specifically Ole Miss and this Powe situation for Colonel Reb and/or the confederate flags at gamedays? Just kind of their backdoor way of permanently removing all the confederate symbols in our state.

rj, I think that is part of it. The other part is the influence of other SEC schools and their desire to keep schools like UM and MSU (Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas) in "their place".

Without the objections posed by and scrutiny requested by the SEC and other schools (led by Tub), Powe would have passed the Clearinghouse with no problem. Instead, he was red-flagged, and a shameful saga has played out since that time against this kid.

Back when UM fired Cut, and then hired Orgeron, under the premise that we can do better than mediocre, I warned all Reb fans at that time that there would be forces at work to try to undermine and stop Orgeron/UM from elevating UM to the upper echelon of the SEC. It started immediately with all the wild exaggerated internet rumors about Coach O, the constant drum beat of unwarranted ridicule, and the unprecedented public negative statements about Coach O from coaches of other schools. It continues in the form of the new subjective rule adopted by the SEC this summer that gives the SEC the right to challenge and subject to more scrutiny the eligibility credentials of certain high profile recruits. Basically, what this means is that if UM, MSU, etc. sign a high profile recruit away from the traditional SEC powers, they are going to try to find some way to rule them ineligible or at lest delay their clearance until so late into the fall that it hinders their impact. And the denial of Powe, at the strong urging of the SEC and other schools, follows.

Seymore......

if he was a regular student he wouldn't be having these issues b/c of the Ayer's case and ADA....... He would be a full-time student at ANY of the states public universities

Po Monk, after hearing your facts and arguments about Powe, there is no doubt in my mind that some bad dealings are going on directly related to him. It does appear subjective judgement has befallen him, where others, (including Keiland Williams) were cleared.

However, to think there is some grand conspiracy by the other SEC schools utilizing the NCAA as their weapon of choice against the lowly schools of MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy, Arky and Kentucky is kind of out there IMO. You once warned me to be careful not to join the black helicopter crowd. I submit the same to you on this one, buddy.

You obviously win by accumulating talent and coaching said talent in a fruitful manner. It seems you believe the more traditional powers are trying to prevent the first from taking place at schools like Ole Miss.

Coach Os personality alone brings about much of the criticism he receives. He doesn't fit the typical head coach mold. I am not saying it is justified, but it is the way it is. In furtherance of that, he doesn't fit the typical recruiting guru mold (although he is). Furthermore, to have great recruiting classes in light of recent seasons even leaves many Ole Miss fans scratching their heads. I personally think he is a great recruiter and a decent coach. Then there are the rumors. There are rumors about recruiting violations about SEC schools on every SEC campus except maybe vandy.

I could talk for days on this subject, but in short (although it is too late for that) I just don't see how there is an organized conspiracy by AU, UA UGA, LSU, UF and UT against the other schools. Especially not one based on fear of future competition. That is just my two cents.

Did someone just copmare Powe to Patton and Churchhill.......And I thought they only needed him up there to stop running plays, not be a leader of the free worldl.

I do not know about any SEC conspiracy against Ole Miss but I am pretty confident that Tubby is involved. You see, Auburn has two players on their roster that graduated from the same high school as Powe the year before Powe finished. It was crazy the way it went down. Wayne County did not have many d1 prospects in the past and for some reason no college coaches were giving the Wayne County program any attention. Even Bower at USM who was only 60 miles away did not recruit Wayne County. No players at Wayne County would even give State the time of day due to the bad teams they had. Both of the players at Wayne County that went to Auburn would have went to Ole Miss if Cutcliffe would have recruited them. Well Tubberville personally came to Wayne County and offered both of them a scholarship and they accepted. Well Powes senior year he visited Auburn several times because his teamates were over there and Tubby thought Powe was a lock for Auburn. Then coach O entered the equation out worked everyone else to get Powe to sign with Ole Miss. High school coaches in Mississippi will tell you how much time the Ole Miss coaches spend recruiting Mississippi kids (more than any other in state program). Tubby thought he had a created a pipeline from Wayne County and coach O threw a wrench in his plans so now there is bad blood.

Seymore has GOT IT! That is what I was refering to earlier. I have nothing against this fine young man and wish him the best. Who would give a FLIP about him if he did NOT play football? My 13y/o daughter has Auditory Processing Disorder which makes it hard to concentrate on the teacher giving a lecture when the other kids are talking and making a racket. We are making sure she gets therapy for it and that the school holds up what they are suppose to do(allowances) on their end. Let the bozo's in the state house know that more attention has to be paid to early intervention or WE will take care of these unfortunate folks through welfare, etc. in the future! Thanks for leting me rant. I never wanted Powe to not play ball for whoever he chooses, I just want us as a society to stop ignoring this type of learning disability and do what it takes!!!

"However, to think there is some grand conspiracy by the other SEC schools utilizing the NCAA as their weapon of choice against the lowly schools of MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy, Arky and Kentucky is kind of out there IMO. You once warned me to be careful not to join the black helicopter crowd. I submit the same to you on this one, buddy. "

Ok, maybe its a stretch to include ALL the traditional SEC powers. I'll concede that. But, Auburn (via Tubby) has for sure used the NCAA as a weapon in this case to prevent Powe's admission. And the info I am hearing is that the coaches at LSU and MSU are involved in the objections as well. What their motivations are, I don't know ---my guess is simply hatred of UM and Orgeron, and a strong interest in seeing UM's football program stay in the cellar.

I will be interested in seeing how the new SEC rule I referenced is applied to deny admission to recruits at the traditional SEC powers in the future. The fact that Greg Smith was approved by the NCAA, and Powe was not, is pretty damning in and of itself. Jerrell Powe is a Rhodes scholar compared to Smith. Lets revisit this issue next August just for kicks and giggles.

Tub is not very popular in Wayne County right now. I think his welcome has been worn out at this point.

I'll hush for now. I probably know more than I should, and some of the things about this matter have not really been made public yet ---perhaps for good reason. So, this will be my last post on the matter until anything earth shattering happens related to the matter --I'm all Powed out.