Wildrose Kennels

[mississippi_duc_htr]

getalab where did I give collars a bad name. I only had too use mine TWICE and the two problems I had were solved, NEVER had too put one on her again. I mean if your dog is doing good and you have no problems that cant be worked out with common sense,why would you need too put one on too begin with. I have seen guys that strapped em on when they started training them and just because the dog under a year old didnt understand what the owner wanted and didnt do everthing they ask perfectly they would shock em and yes they finally ending up ruining them..................... I would like too know what you do with them (collars)if its not too correct problems when they arise, I thought thats what they were invented for. There is a big diffrence in case you didnt know in a dog knowing what he's suppose to do and refusing to do it just too see if he can get away with, and one that doesnt understand what you want and doesnt know how to do it.. Do you just put them one the dog for show or what? To me they are a tool to correct problems that SOMTIMES do arise in the training process. I dont like using one @ all and I dont even own one BUT they are a TRAINING AID, in my opinion, too correct problems that do arise when ALL ELSE failes. As far as having a way too communicate with your dog thats what voice tone and a whistle are used for. Again I ask what do you use them for ??????????????? to help you train a dog or just for show [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]

[getalab]

MDH, I said folks LIKE you, ones that all of a sudden have a problem, borrow a collar, and shock a dog without properly conditioning it. They may shock too hard, or at the wrong moment-and all of a sudden their dog's ruined, and it's the collars fault. I put a collar on everytime I train, and never use it unless the dog refuses a command I KNOW he understands..never shock for a mistake, go back and re-teach. What do you do when your dog fails to sit on a whistle at 150 yards? Voice tone it? I have a 150 yd leash that says "hey,pay attention". You'll have to explain how a collar can be used for "show"..

[goosebruce]

The ecollar is part of a total program/method to train a dog. It shouldnt be used as a last ditch effort when all else fails, katy-bar-the-door, gonna burn him up or fix dis, way to train a dog. Then again, nothing should.

Your description of communication with your dog being limited to voice and whistle, shows you have no collar expereince (cept strapping one on to ole fido and waiting for him to give you the paw one last time), and really never had a dog in many demanding training, testing or hunting set ups. You can train a dog, a fine dog, without a collar, no doubt. But since its easier on the dog and you, why would you? Once the dog is educated, he knows WHY hes getting nicked, and he knows WHAT to do to get out of the pressure. My dog beaches on a point covered with duck scent 100 yards away on a blind, and wont cast back off into water, a toot, nick, back and hes swimming. Yours is sniffing ducks, waiting on you to run all the way around the island to get him, and when you get there, you whoop him good for not taking your cast, and he doesnt know why. And next time, he'll do the same thing. Cause you couldnt show him hes not supposed to. And you never will be able to. You cant run fast enough to make him understand why you are there.
Of course thats a hypotechical sitution. My dog would never give a cast refusal into the water, scented point or not. You asked if they wear the collars for show, damn right. To show them the way when they choose to do wrong. Instantly, every time, no confusion.

You strapped a collar on when you didnt know what else to do, when you had failed every other way. Yet you can't understand why people would train & hunt with one all the time, being fair to the dog and edcuating the dog as to what is expected, and required? travis

[mississippi_duc_htr]

Like I said before only had to use it twice.Once corrected one problem and the second corrected the other. Problem solved!!!!!

[ April 13, 2002: Message edited by: mississippi_duc_htr ]