Not that I am aware of.gps4 wrote:out of curiosity, is there biblical authority to support the position that pre-marital sexual relations is not a sin?Smoke68 wrote:Couple of things:
Please stop using the premarital sex point to make an example of how Christians are hypocritical. All Christians are hypocrites in some form or fashion, but this isn't one of them. It's not a sin to get married if you are having premarital sex
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camlock wrote:In general, in a supposed free country, if I spend my money, my time, my resources and I take all the risk to start and operate a business...I'm the only one the stands to lose should business go bad or any other reason, I shouldn't be forced to a damn thing unless I want to for any reason and I shouldn't be faced with any legal ramifications for not choosing to do business for any reason...that's just my .02 cents.
I realize retail or customer services to gay people was not prevalent, but we moved here to the land and started a free nation to get away from a gov't telling us when, where, and how about personal matters...in general...
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IMO Pandora's box has been opened. Any business owner has the right to refuse service, for whatever reason.
Bar none. Just like posting a no gun sign. If they don't want that in their store, that is their right, IMO.
Period.
How many of you are ok with a dude in a dress using the same bathroom as you're daughter/wife?
I'm not implying anything just a simple question!
I'm not a bible thumper, either but I pray every day. I sin every day too.. And yeah I'm probably hypocritical on a few things. Also it's a sad freaking day when any state GOV has to pass or even consider this type of legislation.
For the most part I support this bill and Bryant.
Bar none. Just like posting a no gun sign. If they don't want that in their store, that is their right, IMO.
Period.
How many of you are ok with a dude in a dress using the same bathroom as you're daughter/wife?
I'm not implying anything just a simple question!
I'm not a bible thumper, either but I pray every day. I sin every day too.. And yeah I'm probably hypocritical on a few things. Also it's a sad freaking day when any state GOV has to pass or even consider this type of legislation.
For the most part I support this bill and Bryant.

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I'll assume that "IMO" tag applies to the second sentence as well. Because that's not the law and hasn't been for a long time. Refuse service to someone who is black. Or female. Or old. That won't turn out well for the business owner in court.1010 wrote:IMO Pandora's box has been opened. Any business owner has the right to refuse service, for whatever reason.

"Well we don't rent pigs and I figure it's better to say it right out front because a man that does like to rent pigs is... he's hard to stop" -Augustus McRae
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That's exactly what I'm talking about right there Smoke, The GOV should never be involved in property rights.
If I want to refuse service it should be my right even if it put's me out of business
If I want to refuse service it should be my right even if it put's me out of business
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well, i've taken my daughter to use men's bathrooms when mom wasn't around. i've also let my son go to bathroom by himself. as far as I know, neither have been the target of any unwanted sexual advances or other inappropriate conduct from any homosexual or heterosexual men.1010 wrote: How many of you are ok with a dude in a dress using the same bathroom as you're daughter/wife?
I'm not implying anything just a simple question!
as far as my take on all the hoopla surrounding the passage of the bill, it appears the tides have changed, historically speaking.
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Apparently, ^^^THIS^^^ is a pretty prevalent question because the state of North Carolina just passed a law that specifically addresses this exact situation. And the Left has lost their collective minds! So much for tolerance, huh?1010 wrote: How many of you are ok with a dude in a dress using the same bathroom as you're daughter/wife?
I'm not implying anything just a simple question!
Nobody owes you anything.
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Ha, anybody with a kid has had to do this^^. I'm saying teens being subjected to this, how long before they can play a sport as a girl? You ok with that too? showering and changing in front of each other? Two getting friendly?gps4 wrote:well, i've taken my daughter to use men's bathrooms when mom wasn't around. i've also let my son go to bathroom by himself. as far as I know, neither have been the target of any unwanted sexual advances or other inappropriate conduct from any homosexual or heterosexual men.1010 wrote: How many of you are ok with a dude in a dress using the same bathroom as you're daughter/wife?
I'm not implying anything just a simple question!
as far as my take on all the hoopla surrounding the passage of the bill, it appears the tides have changed, historically speaking.
Ha, sad days ahead.

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is it the dude in a woman's dress that makes you uncomfortable, or that a dude uses the same bathroom as women folk? when you have been in the same bathroom with homosexual men, how many times have you been exposed to their privates or been subjected to unwanted sexual advances from them?1010 wrote:Ha, anybody with a kid has had to do this^^. I'm saying teens being subjected to this, how long before they can play a sport as a girl? You ok with that too? showering and changing in front of each other? Two getting friendly?gps4 wrote:well, i've taken my daughter to use men's bathrooms when mom wasn't around. i've also let my son go to bathroom by himself. as far as I know, neither have been the target of any unwanted sexual advances or other inappropriate conduct from any homosexual or heterosexual men.1010 wrote: How many of you are ok with a dude in a dress using the same bathroom as you're daughter/wife?
I'm not implying anything just a simple question!
as far as my take on all the hoopla surrounding the passage of the bill, it appears the tides have changed, historically speaking.
Ha, sad days ahead.
what bathrooms should homosexual men use? those with girls or those with boys? or should homosexuals not get to use either bathrooms? at least with the girls' bathrooms, there are usually stalls with latching doors.
as far as sports, co-ed athletic teams are not unheard, especially in small private schools where there's not enough teenage girls to make their own team.
there are sexual predators of both sexes, and those are the folks i want to protect my kids from.
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Ha, all the above is perverted.. And if you can't see it you must be also. Making a team up is one thing a man playing as a girl on a team is another. lol. It sure is predators, and we are allowing it to spread with you're logic.gps4 wrote:is it the dude in a woman's dress that makes you uncomfortable, or that a dude uses the same bathroom as women folk? when you have been in the same bathroom with homosexual men, how many times have you been exposed to their privates or been subjected to unwanted sexual advances from them?1010 wrote:Ha, anybody with a kid has had to do this^^. I'm saying teens being subjected to this, how long before they can play a sport as a girl? You ok with that too? showering and changing in front of each other? Two getting friendly?gps4 wrote:
well, i've taken my daughter to use men's bathrooms when mom wasn't around. i've also let my son go to bathroom by himself. as far as I know, neither have been the target of any unwanted sexual advances or other inappropriate conduct from any homosexual or heterosexual men.
as far as my take on all the hoopla surrounding the passage of the bill, it appears the tides have changed, historically speaking.
Ha, sad days ahead.
what bathrooms should homosexual men use? those with girls or those with boys? or should homosexuals not get to use either bathrooms? at least with the girls' bathrooms, there are usually stalls with latching doors.
as far as sports, co-ed athletic teams are not unheard, especially in small private schools where there's not enough teenage girls to make their own team.
there are sexual predators of both sexes, and those are the folks i want to protect my kids from.
Classic liberal spin and non-sense.

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I'm not implying anything, just asking simple questions...1010 wrote:Ha, all the above is perverted.. And if you can't see it you must be also. Making a team up is one thing a man playing as a girl on a team is another. lol. It sure is predators, and we are allowing it to spread with you're logic.gps4 wrote:is it the dude in a woman's dress that makes you uncomfortable, or that a dude uses the same bathroom as women folk? when you have been in the same bathroom with homosexual men, how many times have you been exposed to their privates or been subjected to unwanted sexual advances from them?1010 wrote: Ha, anybody with a kid has had to do this^^. I'm saying teens being subjected to this, how long before they can play a sport as a girl? You ok with that too? showering and changing in front of each other? Two getting friendly?
Ha, sad days ahead.
what bathrooms should homosexual men use? those with girls or those with boys? or should homosexuals not get to use either bathrooms? at least with the girls' bathrooms, there are usually stalls with latching doors.
as far as sports, co-ed athletic teams are not unheard, especially in small private schools where there's not enough teenage girls to make their own team.
there are sexual predators of both sexes, and those are the folks i want to protect my kids from.
Classic liberal spin and non-sense.
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The reason everyone is bringing this up is that it is also part of the law. If someone has pre-marital sex then a business has the right to refuse them service under the new law.Smoke68 wrote:Couple of things:
Please stop using the premarital sex point to make an example of how Christians are hypocritical. All Christians are hypocrites in some form or fashion, but this isn't one of them. It's not a sin to get married if you are having premarital sex.
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Chuckle12 wrote:The reason everyone is bringing this up is that it is also part of the law. If someone has pre-marital sex then a business has the right to refuse them service under the new law.Smoke68 wrote:Couple of things:
Please stop using the premarital sex point to make an example of how Christians are hypocritical. All Christians are hypocrites in some form or fashion, but this isn't one of them. It's not a sin to get married if you are having premarital sex.
And I agree with that. If I have a business and don't want to serve someone or work for them, then by damn I don't think I should HAVE TO. Should I?? Maybe Should the Gov. Force me to???? Hell NO
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IF a muslim does not want to sell pork he does not have to. If a baker does not want to sell a cake he should not have to. If a person has a pecker he should go to the men's bathroom. IF you can't understand something so simple, you are part of the problem.
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